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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    All you can do is whine about the source and say how wrong it is.

    Why don't you try actually disputing it with facts that show its a lie?

    NHS Vale of York CCG - Weight loss to improve surgery outcomes ? some common questions and answers
    He lives it!!!!! Why do you insist you and Fox news know better than the people living what you insist is a dystopian nightmare?! Do you really think all those people are just stupid?! WTF?! he gave you facts. He and his family live it! Do you honestly believe he's purposely endangering his family by living in Canada? Use what little brain power you have and think it through.

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    Most already have to wait for a year before the surgery is approved by insurances. This is not new. The insurance companies require that a surgery candidate try to lose weight before the surgery...such as 30 pounds on their own. They meet with a Dietitian to learn new eating habits before the surgery. It is a lengthy process in the States as well...especially since we are seeing patients gain the weight back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Most already have to wait for a year before the surgery is approved by insurances. This is not new. The insurance companies require that a surgery candidate try to lose weight before the surgery...such as 30 pounds on their own. They meet with a Dietitian to learn new eating habits before the surgery. It is a lengthy process in the States as well...especially since we are seeing patients gain the weight back.
    Another example is when people tell me that VA patients have to wait so long for an appointment. Well, we have extensive experience with both the VA and private health care and I can tell you the waits are comparable. The idea that private health insurance and private health care is so much better than any of the alternatives is wrong. Do most health care systems have problems? Most certainly. But most health care systems work better than the US system and have better outcomes for a larger number of people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Are you denying they are doing it?

    Yes or no?
    I think the real question is, doesn't everyone? You think that doctors in the US ignore intervening health issues as factors in who qualifies MEDICALLY for surgery?

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Most already have to wait for a year before the surgery is approved by insurances. This is not new. The insurance companies require that a surgery candidate try to lose weight before the surgery...such as 30 pounds on their own. They meet with a Dietitian to learn new eating habits before the surgery. It is a lengthy process in the States as well...especially since we are seeing patients gain the weight back.
    Exactly. This is a case of "figures don't like but liars can figure."

    Step One: Find something EVERYONE does.

    Step Two: Blame your opponent for doing what's in Step One.

    Step Three: Rinse, repeat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Another example is when people tell me that VA patients have to wait so long for an appointment. Well, we have extensive experience with both the VA and private health care and I can tell you the waits are comparable. The idea that private health insurance and private health care is so much better than any of the alternatives is wrong. Do most health care systems have problems? Most certainly. But most health care systems work better than the US system and have better outcomes for a larger number of people.
    I totally agree. The goal should be to insure everyone. I admire the VA...not many hospitals could operate on the limited funding they receive and they manage to do it. Appointments are based on triage. Some conditions require immediate attention, while others do not. It has always been this way. It takes at least 3 months to receive a screening mammogram at the hospital I use...I am fine with that. But, if a lump were discovered, an appointment would be made immediately. It has always been this way. We have never been as a Nation, able to waltz into a Dr. appointment and start demanding the services that we want. Insurances are always consulted first for approval. I am not sure where this "immediate service upon demand" attitude is coming from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I totally agree. The goal should be to insure everyone. I admire the VA...not many hospitals could operate on the limited funding they receive and they manage to do it. Appointments are based on triage. Some conditions require immediate attention, while others do not. It has always been this way. It takes at least 3 months to receive a screening mammogram at the hospital I use...I am fine with that. But, if a lump were discovered, an appointment would be made immediately. It has always been this way. We have never been as a Nation, able to waltz into a Dr. appointment and start demanding the services that we want. Insurances are always consulted first for approval. I am not sure where this "immediate service upon demand" attitude is coming from.
    I think it depends. When I first moved to New England, I was shocked at the medical care. Call the doc at 9 am you would get an appt at noon. Need surgery? Could be done within a week. It came from the huge numbers of doctors here and the med schools and their students. So everyone got really spoiled. Now of course, decades later, with an aging population here and older doctors, wait times have increased. So now people are pissy. Not the younger people, because they don't know any better but for older people they get downright nasty. Last time I was at the doctors office there was a retiree there screaming at how she pays for her healthcare and was demanding to see a doctor not a nurse practitioner. She was furious and loudly demanding a "real doctor."

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I think it depends. When I first moved to New England, I was shocked at the medical care. Call the doc at 9 am you would get an appt at noon. Need surgery? Could be done within a week. It came from the huge numbers of doctors here and the med schools and their students. So everyone got really spoiled. Now of course, decades later, with an aging population here and older doctors, wait times have increased. So now people are pissy. Not the younger people, because they don't know any better but for older people they get downright nasty. Last time I was at the doctors office there was a retiree there screaming at how she pays for her healthcare and was demanding to see a doctor not a nurse practitioner. She was furious and loudly demanding a "real doctor."
    When I first started with my PCP, she was new and building a practice. I could get same day appointments, now 9 years later, she is not accepting new patients and I have to wait to see her if I am sick. Currently, I am waiting for my insurance to approve a hysterectomy. It has been two years. I have several large uterine fibroids with cysts all over my ovaries and the insurance company will not approve the surgery because I am not experiencing dysfunctional uterine bleeding. I personally, do not like the thought of those things just lying there..but very little I can do it about it. The insurance company would rather see a hemoglobin below 8 where I have to use a wheelchair to navigate through the building because of low blood volume. When I fractured my ankle on a Saturday night, a surgeon was called in and performed my surgery on a Sunday morning. The insurance companies determine immediate need, no different than any other health care model. Oh...you are correct, our oldies can be quite feisty and abusive...they can throw the biggest fits ever.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So Britain is experiencing way too many costs under their UHC plan so they are being forced to ration care. ...
    Health care rationing is unavoidable under any system. It's always been rationed in the United States.
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