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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    When I first started with my PCP, she was new and building a practice. I could get same day appointments, now 9 years later, she is not accepting new patients and I have to wait to see her if I am sick. Currently, I am waiting for my insurance to approve a hysterectomy. It has been two years. I have several large uterine fibroids with cysts all over my ovaries and the insurance company will not approve the surgery because I am not experiencing dysfunctional uterine bleeding. I personally, do not like the thought of those things just lying there..but very little I can do it about it. The insurance company would rather see a hemoglobin below 8 where I have to use a wheelchair to navigate through the building because of low blood volume. When I fractured my ankle on a Saturday night, a surgeon was called in and performed my surgery on a Sunday morning. The insurance companies determine immediate need, no different than any other health care model. Oh...you are correct, our oldies can be quite feisty and abusive...they can throw the biggest fits ever.
    Yea I have had gall bladder issues on and off and the insurance company deemed it wasn't critical as I hadn't yet showed up in the ER. Just going to my doctor apparently indicated to them I could endure it. But I guess like lots of stuff, older people see things differently. They keep talking about the good old days when doctors made house calls and healthcare was even cheaper. Then they talk about how awful healthcare is today. Perspective I guess. But my general practitioner still does house calls so some still do make an effort.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    ... Either Fox News is full of shit, or I’m willingly sacrificing my wife and children to a dystopian life of illness and misery, happily, and too dumb to care. Well logically it must be Knuckles and Leo and Dangermouse and Paris who are lying. Fox News would never lie so these real people must be too dumb to know that they’re living in some nightmare gulag with awful healthcare. ...
    Fox News isn't giving the whole story. @Spookycolt - if you want to cite British healthcare policy, cite a British media outlet. That's how I found this:

    Vale of York Care Commissioning Group, who introduced the restrictions, said it will make people wait up to a year for non-essential surgery if they’re overweight.
    Source - Metro UK News

    FOX News omitted the bit about the rule applying only to non-essential surgeries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Yea I have had gall bladder issues on and off and the insurance company deemed it wasn't critical as I hadn't yet showed up in the ER. Just going to my doctor apparently indicated to them I could endure it. But I guess like lots of stuff, older people see things differently. They keep talking about the good old days when doctors made house calls and healthcare was even cheaper. Then they talk about how awful healthcare is today. Perspective I guess. But my general practitioner still does house calls so some still do make an effort.
    These same oldies are most likely in their upper 80's and 90's, still living independent and don't realize how lucky they are now compared to when 70 was considered a really old person with chronic conditions to prove it. People now are still working in their 70's. Medicare is the best insurance around these days.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    These same oldies are most likely in their upper 80's and 90's, still living independent and don't realize how lucky they are now compared to when 70 was considered a really old person with chronic conditions to prove it. People now are still working in their 70's. Medicare is the best insurance around these days.
    Yup and they don't want it changed! We had such rabid town halls over healthcare trying to figure out what to do. They shot down every idea because they feared they would lose their Medicare. We even had one woman who when the rep was trying to explain how she wanted Medicare for All, the woman thought that meant she would get less. She pitched a fit at the idea. lol
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I totally agree. The goal should be to insure everyone. I admire the VA...not many hospitals could operate on the limited funding they receive and they manage to do it. Appointments are based on triage. Some conditions require immediate attention, while others do not. It has always been this way. It takes at least 3 months to receive a screening mammogram at the hospital I use...I am fine with that. But, if a lump were discovered, an appointment would be made immediately. It has always been this way. We have never been as a Nation, able to waltz into a Dr. appointment and start demanding the services that we want. Insurances are always consulted first for approval. I am not sure where this "immediate service upon demand" attitude is coming from.
    As my well insured parents aged, they found that they needed to go outside their network to get a diagnosis to bring back to their in network doctors before they could get treatment.
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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    As my well insured parents aged, they found that they needed to go outside their network to get a diagnosis to bring back to their in network doctors before they could get treatment.
    At substantially higher costs of course.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Are you denying they are doing it?

    Yes or no?
    I know that being obese makes any surgery more dangerous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So Britain is experiencing way too many costs under their UHC plan so they are being forced to ration car.

    A new policy says that fat people will have to wait a year to get surgery's or lose the weight.

    This is what we can expect here if liberals get their way.



    Single-payer health care means you might be denied surgery for being too fat -- no, really | Fox News
    This not the case in Canada... If it were then my dad would have been denied heart surgery and both knee replacements...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    This not the case in Canada... If it were then my dad would have been denied heart surgery and both knee replacements...
    He wouldn't be denied in the U.K. either - even under the new policy. Reference post #22.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    All you can do is whine about the source and say how wrong it is.

    Why don't you try actually disputing it with facts that show its a lie?

    NHS Vale of York CCG - Weight loss to improve surgery outcomes ? some common questions and answers
    Because - and this is the important part here, the part that really cements my opinion on things, this is the part, right here:

    Because they do this to Canada too. And I live here. I was born here. My sister was born here. My sister had her tonsils out here. I had my appendix out here. My gran had three hip surgeries here. My grandpa worked his life in a veterans hospital here. My mum had some depression issues here. My gran and grandpa had cataracts done here. My bore and delivered two children here. I had two nose surgeries here. My mums diabetes is treated here. Dadís skin cancer was eradicated here. Mums hysterectomy, my uncle was given 5 years to live with cancer and made it 9.

    Every friend Iíve ever had, for 4 decades has had mecdical services here. Every parent of every friend Iíve ever had has used medical services here. Every elderly grandparent of every friend Iíve ever had - ever- has been born, lived and died in a single payer health care system.

    Not a couple. Not most. ALL of them. Everybody. Every single person I know. All their life.

    So either a) Fox News is constantly lying to you or b) hundreds of millions of normal, educated, happy people in wealthy G8 countries were too silly to notice their health care was a dystopian nightmare. They happily and proudly donít get necessary medical care and they LOVE it.

    Thatís the two options. A or B.
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