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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    As my well insured parents aged, they found that they needed to go outside their network to get a diagnosis to bring back to their in network doctors before they could get treatment.
    My Mom first became sick with chronic kidney disease at 80 which progressed rapidly the last 5 years of her life. She died during therapeutic dialysis from heart failure. During this 5 year period, in and out of ICU, Medicare never denied her anything, even when there was no hope. Medicare could have easily denied her the therapeutic dialysis as her final expenses were way beyond six figures and placed her in hospice. Medicare allowed her to fight for her life. Therapeutic dialysis is continuous dialysis over a period of days under heaving observation in a ICU environment. She had a staff with her the entire 4 days she received dialysis. I have never seen a patient required to get a second opinion for anything before treatment was approved. I have worked with Medicare patients for 20 years. Thousands of them. I am not disputing this happens, but it would be rare.
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    The other thing that all these fright wing stories on the evils of single payer omit is that often the so called delays are done in the best interest of the patient.

    There is a definite increase is risk when they slice and dice an obese individual. If it is non-critical surgery, it is in the patient's best interest to try and force them to lose weight.

    The patient so often, in this day and age are expecting instant gratification and when they don't get it they whine or yell. Of course, some sleaze reporter wanting a sensationalist article issued in some sleaze media will jump on their manufactured poutrage on carefully selected elements of the real story.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    When I first started with my PCP, she was new and building a practice. I could get same day appointments, now 9 years later, she is not accepting new patients and I have to wait to see her if I am sick. Currently, I am waiting for my insurance to approve a hysterectomy. It has been two years. I have several large uterine fibroids with cysts all over my ovaries and the insurance company will not approve the surgery because I am not experiencing dysfunctional uterine bleeding. I personally, do not like the thought of those things just lying there..but very little I can do it about it. The insurance company would rather see a hemoglobin below 8 where I have to use a wheelchair to navigate through the building because of low blood volume. When I fractured my ankle on a Saturday night, a surgeon was called in and performed my surgery on a Sunday morning. The insurance companies determine immediate need, no different than any other health care model. Oh...you are correct, our oldies can be quite feisty and abusive...they can throw the biggest fits ever.
    Sorry to hear this. Fibroids in the uterus was the reason for my mums hysterectomy. They figured they were going to have to go in and remove so many it would be easier to remove the whole thing.

    She had had the opposite issue. This was in the 90s when it was still a rarity to see a female dr. My mum went to 2 different crusty old man doctors who told her to take mydol. She finally drove 45 minutes out of town to find a female dr who disgnosed her correctly and got her booked to hospital. 2 months to diagnose, but surgery was done three days later. She felt 10 years younger. It changed her life.

    Dont give up. When that shit comes out you’ll feel like you want to ride a bike down Main Street.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So Britain is experiencing way too many costs under their UHC plan so they are being forced to ration car.

    A new policy says that fat people will have to wait a year to get surgery's or lose the weight.

    This is what we can expect here if liberals get their way.

    Single-payer health care means you might be denied surgery for being too fat -- no, really | Fox News
    I can imagine that in certain cases this might make purely good sense and be smart medical policy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    This not the case in Canada... If it were then my dad would have been denied heart surgery and both knee replacements...
    My dad wasn't denied a hip replacement, they simply didn't diagnosis the cause of his debilitating pain. After more than a year, he requested his X-rays, took them to a doc outside his network (paying out of pocket) who could tell immediately he needed a hip replacement. Obviously his in network Doctor could see that too cause they were the same darn X-rays, and there was no argument once he presented his doctor with the diagnosis - he got his replacement right away. I think the insurance provider's strategy was to wait and hope my dad died before he figured out what was wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    He lives it!!!!! Why do you insist you and Fox news know better than the people living what you insist is a dystopian nightmare?! Do you really think all those people are just stupid?! WTF?! he gave you facts. He and his family live it! Do you honestly believe he's purposely endangering his family by living in Canada? Use what little brain power you have and think it through.
    Um, this is about the UK, has nothing to do with Canada.

    Plus I gave a link to the organization in Britain that makes these rules.

    It appears I am not the one with little brainpower is it?

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    The UK’s overall 21st century existential crisis seems to be affecting the NHS particularly hard. As always, elder people vote in droves and are lazer focussed on support of the idea “if me and brown people can both have nice things, or if me and brown people can both have crappy things, then I vote for the latter because I hate seeing brown people have nice things SO MUCH that I will give up my own nice things to stop them from getting them too”.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Um, this is about the UK, has nothing to do with Canada. Plus I gave a link to the organization in Britain that makes these rules.

    It appears I am not the one with little brainpower is it?
    And in post #22, I debunked your claim (as well as Fox News' claim), and showed that the rule change is NOT as described in the OP.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    This not the case in Canada... If it were then my dad would have been denied heart surgery and both knee replacements...
    I never mentioned Canada did I?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Are you denying they are doing it?

    Yes or no?
    Do you know what "elective" surgery is, and the increased risk involved for obese patients who choose to have surgery? It's for a better and healthier outcome for the patient, nothing to do with cash saving.
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