Page 6 of 11 FirstFirst ... 45678 ... LastLast
Results 51 to 60 of 103
Thanks Tree137Thanks

Thread: Single-payer health care means you might be denied surgery for being too fat

  1. #51
    Junior Member
    Joined
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    1,746
    Thanks
    820

    From
    Maryland USA
    Quote Originally Posted by Lemonade View Post
    Well, the thread title is about single payer health, so that would include Canada.
    Canada does not have a pure single payer system. In the European model, the growing inability to finance the demands of the system was addressed by increasing control over the services provided. Canada on the other hand responded by introducing increased privatization. Canadians purchase private insurance for use in private clinics and for uncovered services, mostly certain surgical services. Canada also gives some flexibility to each Province on the design of their respective systems. Accordingly, if any effort toward a single payer system is inevitable, I would suggest that we look to the Canadian model over the European model. Canada knew that one size doesn't necessarily fit all and the financing will require some privatization.
    Thanks from pragmatic

  2. #52
    quichierbichen
    Joined
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    61,744
    Thanks
    33461

    From
    in my head
    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Yea I have had gall bladder issues on and off and the insurance company deemed it wasn't critical as I hadn't yet showed up in the ER. Just going to my doctor apparently indicated to them I could endure it. But I guess like lots of stuff, older people see things differently. They keep talking about the good old days when doctors made house calls and healthcare was even cheaper. Then they talk about how awful healthcare is today. Perspective I guess. But my general practitioner still does house calls so some still do make an effort.
    They are crazy if they think healthcare is worse today than 40 years ago. Sure, the doctor would visit you, but then he'd tell you there was nothing to be done and leave you with your disease. They didn't even offer better palliative care then. People don't live an average of 15 years longer today than they did 80 years ago for nothing.
    Thanks from HCProf and labrea

  3. #53
    Wrinkly Member Dangermouse's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    21,729
    Thanks
    19653

    From
    Sunny Bournemouth, Dorset
    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I think it depends. When I first moved to New England, I was shocked at the medical care. Call the doc at 9 am you would get an appt at noon. Need surgery? Could be done within a week. It came from the huge numbers of doctors here and the med schools and their students. So everyone got really spoiled. Now of course, decades later, with an aging population here and older doctors, wait times have increased. So now people are pissy. Not the younger people, because they don't know any better but for older people they get downright nasty. Last time I was at the doctors office there was a retiree there screaming at how she pays for her healthcare and was demanding to see a doctor not a nurse practitioner. She was furious and loudly demanding a "real doctor."
    The irony being that the NP is not only a graduate, but probably more recently educated and up-to-date!
    Thanks from HCProf

  4. #54
    Moderator HCProf's Avatar
    Joined
    Sep 2014
    Posts
    17,117
    Thanks
    9226

    From
    USA
    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    The irony being that the NP is not only a graduate, but probably more recently educated and up-to-date!
    With more inpatient bedside experience.
    Thanks from Dangermouse and labrea

  5. #55
    RNG
    RNG is offline
    Moderator RNG's Avatar
    Joined
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    9,229
    Thanks
    5213

    From
    Between everywhere
    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    No its about a policy in the UK.

    Did you bother reading the OP before you started trolling it?
    So you just like troll titles, is that it? Did you read your title?

  6. #56
    RNG
    RNG is offline
    Moderator RNG's Avatar
    Joined
    Jan 2015
    Posts
    9,229
    Thanks
    5213

    From
    Between everywhere
    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    Canada does not have a pure single payer system. In the European model, the growing inability to finance the demands of the system was addressed by increasing control over the services provided. Canada on the other hand responded by introducing increased privatization. Canadians purchase private insurance for use in private clinics and for uncovered services, mostly certain surgical services. Canada also gives some flexibility to each Province on the design of their respective systems. Accordingly, if any effort toward a single payer system is inevitable, I would suggest that we look to the Canadian model over the European model. Canada knew that one size doesn't necessarily fit all and the financing will require some privatization.
    The vast majority of uninsured services available in Canada are elective procedures. Cosmetic plastic surgery is an example. Lasik eye "surgery" is another.

    But Mrs. RNG recently had cataract surgery in both eyes, with a follow-up laser treatment for some residual scaring. I had a full chemo and radiation treatment. My M-I-L has had both hips replaced, my S-I-L just had quadruple bypass surgery and it cost us parking and in some cases a few prescriptions.

    I do carry private insurance that pays 80% of my prescription costs but as I say, most of the prescriptions directly related to the procedures were also covered by the single payer.
    Thanks from Dangermouse and labrea

  7. #57
    Banned Camp
    Joined
    May 2007
    Posts
    14,645
    Thanks
    11625

    From
    Houston, Texas
    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    All you can do is whine about the source and say how wrong it is.

    Why don't you try actually disputing it with facts that show its a lie?

    NHS Vale of York CCG - Weight loss to improve surgery outcomes ? some common questions and answers
    No one is this fucking stupid. You must be doing this shit on purpose. Did you even read post #2 and #3?
    Thanks from NiteGuy

  8. #58
    Junior Member
    Joined
    Jul 2015
    Posts
    1,746
    Thanks
    820

    From
    Maryland USA
    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    The vast majority of uninsured services available in Canada are elective procedures. Cosmetic plastic surgery is an example. Lasik eye "surgery" is another.

    But Mrs. RNG recently had cataract surgery in both eyes, with a follow-up laser treatment for some residual scaring. I had a full chemo and radiation treatment. My M-I-L has had both hips replaced, my S-I-L just had quadruple bypass surgery and it cost us parking and in some cases a few prescriptions.

    I do carry private insurance that pays 80% of my prescription costs but as I say, most of the prescriptions directly related to the procedures were also covered by the single payer.
    I trust that you did not think my post was an effort to criticize the Canadian system, but rather to suggest if such is inevitable here, we should learn from the Canadian experience and system.

  9. #59
    Wrinkly Member Dangermouse's Avatar
    Joined
    Feb 2010
    Posts
    21,729
    Thanks
    19653

    From
    Sunny Bournemouth, Dorset
    The NHS cash problem isn't from increased costs per se, but underfunding. I doubt there's a country in Europe that pays less per capita, but recentlry we've slipped behind Italy and Greece!


  10. #60
    Galactic Ruler Spookycolt's Avatar
    Joined
    May 2012
    Posts
    60,051
    Thanks
    10976

    From
    By the wall
    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    So you just like troll titles, is that it? Did you read your title?
    What in the title is inaccurate?

Page 6 of 11 FirstFirst ... 45678 ... LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. Replies: 3
    Last Post: 6th September 2017, 05:54 AM
  2. Doctors Warm To Single-Payer Health Care
    By labrea in forum Healthcare
    Replies: 49
    Last Post: 17th August 2017, 12:40 PM
  3. Single-Payer Health Care Bill Introduced In California Senate
    By labrea in forum Political Discussion
    Replies: 594
    Last Post: 28th March 2017, 07:31 AM
  4. How Would Single Payer Health Care Be Funded?
    By Babba in forum Opinion Polls
    Replies: 434
    Last Post: 25th November 2013, 09:28 AM
  5. Replies: 5
    Last Post: 19th February 2010, 12:26 PM

Tags for this Thread


Facebook Twitter RSS Feed