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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    The question is why the democrats passed a broken bill in the first place.
    Because Republicans didn't do anything about the problem while they were in office.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Because Republicans didn't do anything about the problem while they were in office.
    Also the ACA was not designed to break the system we already had. All it did was compel more people to pay for insurance, and set up a plan to take tax dollars and funnel them to the insurance companies to help pay the bill. So without addressing the totally fucked, upside-down market forces in place, it put the taxpayer on the hook either directly or indirectly to fund this racket.

    I swear to God I absolutely cannot believe how fucking stupid we are. I really cannot believe it. Classic bamboozling. Ranks right up there with Gramm–Leach–Bliley.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    We warned you this was coming and here it is.

    Obamacare is jacking up their premiums and before you say it has anything to do with Trump the insurers themselves say this has been going on since 2015.

    Lack of insurers is the problem.

    And while the democrats are intent to block and fix the republicans have they are not offering up any of their own plans to correct it.

    What a failure this legislation is.



    Health insurers in Florida request premium hikes as high as 71% | Fox News
    In fairness, it's a failure of the for-profit system, not just Obamacare.

    We need universal health care.
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    Quote Originally Posted by splansing View Post
    Also the ACA was not designed to break the system we already had. All it did was compel more people to pay for insurance, and set up a plan to take tax dollars and funnel them to the insurance companies to help pay the bill. So without addressing the totally fucked, upside-down market forces in place, it put the taxpayer on the hook either directly or indirectly to fund this racket.

    I swear to God I absolutely cannot believe how fucking stupid we are. I really cannot believe it. Classic bamboozling. Ranks right up there with Gramm–Leach–Bliley.

    That's why it boggles my mind that we fight so hard to save it. Why is it so hard to change it and do something completely different? Last I saw the health insurance execs are knocking down millions a year yet they whine over this?? Its not worth saving as their profits are actually rising and yet they want to raise premiums like this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    Insurers have asked for rate hikes before ACA...and will after ACA.

    It is up to a state's insurance commissioner set rate increases. Or it used to be...

    Florida GOP to blame for health insurance rate hikes | TheHill
    O bullshit. There is no way to sell health insurance to Americans, and turn a profit, at rates they can afford.

    It is not working.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    We warned you this was coming and here it is.

    Obamacare is jacking up their premiums and before you say it has anything to do with Trump the insurers themselves say this has been going on since 2015.

    Lack of insurers is the problem.

    And while the democrats are intent to block and fix the republicans have they are not offering up any of their own plans to correct it.

    What a failure this legislation is.



    Health insurers in Florida request premium hikes as high as 71% | Fox News
    Bullshit,,, I live in Florida, even the traditional plans outside of Obamacare are NOT ONLY going up, the providers are pulling out, and it's got not a goddamn thing to do with ACA.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Moneygrabbing price-gougers.
    Normally I would agree with you, but I think it's natural to resist losing private property via your entire industry being nationalized.

    I think we have to overcome resistance from private health insurance companies and their workers, and I think we can. But I don't think that resistance is an evil impulse.

    It's clearly bad FOR THEM, if we adopt universal health care.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    That's why it boggles my mind that we fight so hard to save it. Why is it so hard to change it and do something completely different? Last I saw the health insurance execs are knocking down millions a year yet they whine over this?? Its not worth saving as their profits are actually rising and yet they want to raise premiums like this.
    There are huge numbers of people involved, of course. Thousands upon thousands of people working for the insurance companies, the hospital corporations, all would have to be re-structured in order to function in a new system. It's not like it would be easy. But then again, continuing to fund a bigger yacht for insurance companies every year isn't easy, either. In fact it's CRUSHING people. It's time to deal with it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PACE View Post
    Bullshit,,, I live in Florida, even the traditional plans outside of Obamacare are NOT ONLY going up, the providers are pulling out, and it's got not a goddamn thing to do with ACA.
    Been doing that for years now. Yet the CEOs are profiting more than ever.

    https://khn.org/news/floridas-larges...f-176-percent/
    Most health insurers raise 2016 Florida Obamacare rates - Florida Politics
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Normally I would agree with you, but I think it's natural to resist losing private property via your entire industry being nationalized.

    I think we have to overcome resistance from private health insurance companies and their workers, and I think we can. But I don't think that resistance is an evil impulse.

    It's clearly bad FOR THEM, if we adopt universal health care.
    Meh. Only in the short term. We can't keep a situation in place where the middle class is broken up and then squeezed dry by this industry. This is no small part of a process that is dissolving the middle class from the edges. I took a $2,200 increase in one year, and that was BEFORE the ACA was passed. And the year before that it was $1,300. How many years can I handle losing 1%, 2%, 4%, 5% of my earnings to pay for health insurance??? People earning $50,000 whose health insurance bill goes up by $2,000 are going to fucking feel that, big time.

    The problem at this point is systemic. Either we fix it, or it's going to break our entire economy, along with a few other cartel/monopoly scenarios. Either the insurance companies are re-organized to survive, lose some jobs, take some different role in the system, and we move on, or it is going to kill the whole goose.
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