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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    That is inline with the deductable for Obamacare. The article is an indictment on the $6000 dollar out of pocket for Obamacare.
    Health care has been unaffordable for too many Americans for decades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    Health care has been unaffordable for too many Americans for decades.
    I cannot disagree with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    I cannot disagree with that.
    So... rather than blame our lowered life expectancy on unaffordable healthcare--which you agree with--you blame it on Obama because he got more people insured? Let's break that down a little bit so we can dispel some myths, shall we? Note that the below source is the first link from the OP quote. The first sentence, in fact:

    First, the big picture: Across the country, there were massive disparities in overall mortality from 1980 to 2014.

    https://www.vox.com/2016/12/13/13926...eath-by-county
    Well shit, that didn't take long. I was prepared to write a lot, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    People should be embarrassed for our country. Instead they think income inequality and the difference in health care and life expectancy between the wealthy and everyone else is a sign of freedom, baby! Freedumb!
    Freedom to die earlier? Maybe we should put that on our MONEY, instead of in GOD WE TRUST.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    So... rather than blame our lowered life expectancy on unaffordable healthcare--which you agree with--you blame it on Obama because he got more people insured? Let's break that down a little bit so we can dispel some myths, shall we? Note that the below source is the first link from the OP quote. The first sentence, in fact:



    Well shit, that didn't take long. I was prepared to write a lot, too.
    If you read my original post, I did not make that statement.

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    Might be worth noting here that infant MORTALITY is climbing again in SOME states. And overall the US, worldwide SUCKS given our "position"...

    The U.S. now ranks 27 to 29th (it varies within 2 positions by year) in the world for infant mortality, compared to its previous ranking of 27th eight years ago, according to a report released today by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). Back in 1960, the country stood at No. 12 for those deaths.



    The United States has a higher infant mortality rate than any of the other 27 wealthy countries, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control. A baby born in the U.S. is nearly three times as likely to die during her first year of life as one born in Finland or Japan. That same American baby is about twice as likely to die in her first year as a Spanish or Korean one.

    Despite healthcare spending levels that are significantly higher than any other country in the world, a baby born in the U.S. is less likely to see his first birthday than one born in Hungary, Poland or Slovakia. Or in Belarus. Or in Cuba,
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    Might be worth noting here that infant MORTALITY is climbing again in SOME states. And overall the US, worldwide SUCKS given our "position"...

    The U.S. now ranks 29th in the world for infant mortality, compared to its previous ranking of 27th eight years ago, according to a report released today by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). Back in 1960, the country stood at No. 12 for those deaths.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    That is inline with the deductable for Obamacare. The article is an indictment on the $6000 dollar out of pocket for Obamacare.
    My apologies, I misattributed that quote as a response to the OP, so the snark may not have been entirely necessary.

    Still, my point stands. Obama has nothing to do with our lowered life expectancy over the last few decades, so there's no valid points made by bringing him into this particular discussion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12 View Post
    Might be worth noting here that infant MORTALITY is climbing again in SOME states. And overall the US, worldwide SUCKS given our "position"...

    The U.S. now ranks 27 to 29th (it varies within 2 positions by year) in the world for infant mortality, compared to its previous ranking of 27th eight years ago, according to a report released today by the Centers for Disease Control (CDC). Back in 1960, the country stood at No. 12 for those deaths.



    The United States has a higher infant mortality rate than any of the other 27 wealthy countries, according to a new report from the Centers for Disease Control. A baby born in the U.S. is nearly three times as likely to die during her first year of life as one born in Finland or Japan. That same American baby is about twice as likely to die in her first year as a Spanish or Korean one.

    Despite healthcare spending levels that are significantly higher than any other country in the world, a baby born in the U.S. is less likely to see his first birthday than one born in Hungary, Poland or Slovakia. Or in Belarus. Or in Cuba,
    The US infant mortality rate cannot be compared to other countries because the definition used for infant mortality is not the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    My apologies, I misattributed that quote as a response to the OP, so the snark may not have been entirely necessary.

    Still, my point stands. Obama has nothing to do with our lowered life expectancy over the last few decades, so there's no valid points made by bringing him into this particular discussion.
    The opiate crisis is directly related to Obamacare funds to hospitals based on patient survey regarding pain. That is why the survey was taken out.

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