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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    if the poor had access to housing in safe neighborhoods, healthy food, and health care, would that change the numbers?

    The poor have access to safe neighborhoods if they did not make neighborhoods unsafe.

    The poor have access to healthy food, which is cheaper, but choose to eat unhealthy food.

    The poor have access to healthcare under Obamacare, but the poor cannot pay the out of pocket expense under Obamacare.

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    Health care has been unaffordable for too many Americans for decades.
    Healthcare will always be unaffordable for many Americans...such as the middle class currently, as long as our politicians keep their hands out for lobbyist payments. Get rid of the insurance company and pharmaceutical company lobbyist and we might see a change. Large corporations own our politicians on both sides of the isle. This is where the change must occur.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Healthcare will always be unaffordable for many Americans...such as the middle class currently, as long as our politicians keep their hands out for lobbyist payments. Get rid of the insurance company and pharmaceutical company lobbyist and we might see a change. Large corporations own our politicians on both sides of the isle. This is where the change must occur.
    That goes for all lobbyist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    Of course, youd have to have had access to medical care to get a diagnoses to put on your go fund me page.
    Good point. A lot of people don't even get that far.

    Savastano said had planned to use lottery winnings for retirement, to buy a new truck, and invest in the future, according to ABC station WCVB. Among his other priorities, Savastano, who couldn't afford life insurance before the winnings and hadn't been feeling well, wanted to visit a doctor, the station reported.

    That's when they told him he had Stage 4 lung and brain cancer.

    Savastano died on Jan. 26. He was 51 years old.

    Weeks after winning $1 million lottery, man dies of cancer - ABC News
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tennyson View Post
    The poor have access to safe neighborhoods if they did not make neighborhoods unsafe.

    The poor have access to healthy food, which is cheaper, but choose to eat unhealthy food.

    The poor have access to healthcare under Obamacare, but the poor cannot pay the out of pocket expense under Obamacare.
    You really do not understand what's going on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    This is just one of the adverse effects of income inequality caused by trickle down.





    https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...ome-inequality
    Ms. Labrea,

    Wow, so you say US life expectancy is dropping primarily because of voluntary life-style choices causing poor health?

    "The grim trend stems from a toxic mixture of more drug- and alcohol-related deaths and more heart disease and obesity in many parts of the country."

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    Quote Originally Posted by labrea View Post
    if the poor had access to housing in safe neighborhoods, healthy food, and health care, would that change the numbers?
    If we didn't import the poor in the first place we wouldn't be in this deep with problems. Typical lib, Import massive doses pf poverty and then complain about the problems of poverty and how all the stats of the USA are falling behind .
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    You are welcome to make a comparison between countries using the same criteria and account for the heterogeneity difference. The Gates Foundation tried and spent a lot of money, and conceded failure because it cannot be done.

    The US is the only country that uses the full WHO definition of live birth and other countries eliminate several of the criteria. Switzerland uses only two of the four criteria. Italy uses only three of four criteria, etc. This allows other countries to use weight, gestation period, and length to classify a baby as not being born alive, and the US counts all as a live births. Other countries do not count premature births as live births if they die afterwards. The U.S. counts them as live births. The U.S. does more for premature infants than most countries, which also skews the numbers when they do not survive. When factoring in all the criteria, the US has one of the lowest infant mortality rates in the world.

    The data regarding Infant mortality rates in the US compared to the rest of the world come from the CDC, and the CDC gets their information from the OECD and the United States Children’s Fund. The data is brutally skewered and misleading.

    There is no standard or continuity regarding the registration of babies born too early, too light, and too short in the other countries.

    There is no standard or continuity regarding the registration, or preventing selective registration, of pre-term infants who survived in other countries.

    There is no standard or continuity regarding the systematic under-registration of infants who did not survive in other countries.

    There is little to no data from the cultures that do not attempt to save prematurely born infants with birth defects. The US always does its best to save any baby born regardless of its condition, and those that do not survive are added to the misleading statistic used by the OECD.

    When infants born before 24 weeks are subtracted from the CDC report, the mortality rate decreases by 30%. This accurate data puts the US equal or lower than any other developed country.

    Many countries do not consider an infant that dies at birth weighing less than 500 grams as a live birth. The US considers an infant that weighs less than 500 grams and dies at birth a live birth. Eighty percent of these births in other countries do not survive and are not counted, but are counted in the US.

    Many countries classify a baby as stillborn or as a miscarriage if it survives less than 24 hours regardless if it is breathing and has a beating heart. The US classifies these infants as live born. Forty percent of all infant deaths happen within twenty-four hours.

    If a child in Hong Kong or Japan is born alive but dies within the first 24 hours of birth, he or she is reported as a miscarriage and does not affect the country's reported infant mortality rates.

    In Switzerland and other parts of Europe, a baby born who is less than 30 centimeters long is not counted as a live birth. The U.S. counts these infants as live births.
    Measuring with rulers of unequal length then wonder why the product looks bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    You really do not understand what's going on.
    What do I not understand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    This is just one of the adverse effects of income inequality caused by trickle down.

    https://www.vox.com/science-and-heal...ome-inequality
    It's really an exercise in loose association to try to tie all this to partisan politics, which is what it is when you look at public health, note that it's worse among the poor, then declare inequality causes lower life expectancy, and then use that to attack a tax bill.

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