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    The Two Types of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

    Thought about putting this in another forum, but decided it fits here. "Grandiose Narcissism" fits Trump perfectly.

    The Two Types of Narcissistic Personality Disorder
    Grandiose narcissism is the most easily recognized form of narcissism, as it comprises of self-enhancing behaviors that are overtly publicized. Grandiose narcissists are more likely to report self-liking, self-competence and self-congruency as well as a denial of weakness, leading them to believe they are invincible. Psychological characteristics of narcissism appear to stem from maintaining an unrealistic positive self-image in order to uphold a high self-esteem and independent self-construal.

    Grandiose Narcissism

    1. Externalize issues.
    2. High self-esteem/self-worth.
    3. Self-liking.
    4. Independent self-construal.
    5. Denial of weaknesses.
    6. Fantasies about superiority, beauty and perfection.
    7. Aggressive, manipulative, exploitative and antisocial behavior.
    8. Behaviors are overtly exhibited.

    ...MORE...

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    I read this article just in the last couple of weeks, but in a different context. I was sitting around with my Good Ex-Partner* to get her some old client files she needed for a new case, and she suggested I look up Vulnerable Narcissism, and one of the articles we got was that one. She had come across the concept while researching something unrelated, and discovered that the criteria for VN fit the Bad Ex-Partner perfectly. We always knew he was a form of narcissist, but the DSM-V was not very helpful in identifying which type.** This one was perfect, though.

    Interesting side note: when one of the partners would do something that irritated me, and that he or she was not supposed to do, I would say (borrowing the concept from a South Park episode) that I wanted to beat him/her to death with a whiffle bat. It was usually the Bad Ex-Partner I said this about (though it got applied to everyone at various times, including myself), and ironically he bought me a whiffle bat and whiffle ball. (I still have the bat, not sure about the ball.) The guy could not get a clue no matter how often we told him flat-out. And the things I learned about him later made me wish we had gotten rid of him much sooner.

    * This post is about business partners, not romantic ones ... I do not use that terminology for the latter. There is the Good Ex-Partner, the Bad Ex-Partner (the one we fired a couple years ago), and the Runaway Ex-Partner (self-explanatory).

    ** Not that we are qualified to diagnose, of course ... it was a combination of fun and blowing off steam at the time, which was a few months before we fired him.
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    Friday, I'm a narcissist and you actually LIKE me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    Friday, I'm a narcissist and you actually LIKE me.
    Except you seem capable of realizing and even admitting your mistakes.

    That's why I like you.
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    This describes a lot of politicians, celebrities, businessmen...

    Trump is all three.
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    Quote Originally Posted by libertariat720 View Post
    This describes a lot of politicians, celebrities, businessmen...

    Trump is all three.
    Trump also exhibits all eight of the traits listed, so he's 11 for 11.

    Trump is perfect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    Except you seem capable of realizing and even admitting your mistakes.
    Which would mean he's probably not a real narcissist, or at least not the grandiose type.

    But enough of talking about @Puzzling Evidence in the third person. Ian Jeffrey does not do that.

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    The woman who wrote this article for 'Men's health', or the blog they took it from, does not even know the correct spelling is affect. Effect/affect can be hard to know which is right, but when describing a mood state it's affect.

    There are scholarly articles on the (more than 2) types of narcissism, but this isn't one of them. I think Trump is a malignant narcissist, personally.

    Malignant narcissism is a psychological syndrome comprising an extreme mix of narcissism, antisocial behavior, aggression, and sadism.[1] Often grandiose, and always ready to raise hostility levels, the malignant narcissist undermines families and organizations in which they are involved, and dehumanizes the people with whom they associate.[2]

    Malignant narcissism is a hypothetical, experimental diagnostic category. Narcissistic personality disorder is found in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR), while malignant narcissism is not. As a hypothetical syndrome, malignant narcissism could include aspects of narcissistic personality disorder as well as traits of antisocial personality disorder and paranoia. The importance of malignant narcissism and of projection as a defense mechanism has been confirmed in paranoia, as well as "the patient's vulnerability to malignant narcissistic regression"


    The only thing in this description that is not absolutely verifiable is sadism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    The woman who wrote this article for 'Men's health', or the blog they took it from, does not even know the correct spelling is affect. Effect/affect can be hard to know which is right, but when describing a mood state it's affect.

    There are scholarly articles on the (more than 2) types of narcissism, but this isn't one of them. I think Trump is a malignant narcissist, personally.

    Malignant narcissism is a psychological syndrome comprising an extreme mix of narcissism, antisocial behavior, aggression, and sadism.[1] Often grandiose, and always ready to raise hostility levels, the malignant narcissist undermines families and organizations in which they are involved, and dehumanizes the people with whom they associate.[2]

    Malignant narcissism is a hypothetical, experimental diagnostic category. Narcissistic personality disorder is found in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV-TR), while malignant narcissism is not. As a hypothetical syndrome, malignant narcissism could include aspects of narcissistic personality disorder as well as traits of antisocial personality disorder and paranoia. The importance of malignant narcissism and of projection as a defense mechanism has been confirmed in paranoia, as well as "the patient's vulnerability to malignant narcissistic regression"


    The only thing in this description that is not absolutely verifiable is sadism.
    I don't know. Firing McCabe 26 hours before he would have got his pension seems a bit sadistic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BitterPill View Post
    I don't know. Firing McCabe 26 hours before he would have got his pension seems a bit sadistic.
    He actually didn't lose his pension though.
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