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Thread: US Fertility Rates Have Plummeted Into Uncharted Territory, And Nobody Knows Why

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Here is the first sentence in the Wikipedia description of the movie: In 2027, after 18 years of global human infertility, civilization is on the brink of collapse as humanity faces extinction.

    One of my BIGGEST problems with the movie is that they NEVER bother to explain what CAUSED this long period of infertility. Makes the whole movie implausible from the get-go. At least IMO.
    It did leave that open ended... it's useful to keep nebulous so that people are less able to test the logical coherence to the premise.

    I thought it was a good movie overall. My complaints were more along the lines of Why would everyone be killing each other while facing extinction?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Quite a few countries with low birthrates have tried various approaches of doing that, of subsidizing people to have more children.
    It's working also in Poland, apparently: More babies in Poland, one year after new payouts for parents - National
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    It did leave that open ended... it's useful to keep nebulous so that people are less able to test the logical coherence to the premise.

    I thought it was a good movie overall. My complaints were more along the lines of Why would everyone be killing each other while facing extinction?
    Because people are stupid?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Quite a few countries with low birthrates have tried various approaches of doing that, of subsidizing people to have more children.

    That's why the US has an income tax deduction for dependents.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    It did leave that open ended... it's useful to keep nebulous so that people are less able to test the logical coherence to the premise.

    I thought it was a good movie overall. My complaints were more along the lines of Why would everyone be killing each other while facing extinction?
    I was bored with it half an hour into it, and it never really recovered, for me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    Because people are stupid?
    Speaking of that, there was a local forum on overpopulation for the local university. Discussing food pressures, climate change, water all that stuff. Some of the participants were discussing rational things like how to produce more food, synthetic meat, etc. One of the speakers then went on to say how if humans could just convince a generation or two to not have children, the world pressures of overpopulation would be solved. One of the profs stared at him and said "do you realize not having children for a generation or two means we will go extinct?" The guy just stared off and mumbled that he hadnt thought about that!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    Speaking of that, there was a local forum on overpopulation for the local university. Discussing food pressures, climate change, water all that stuff. Some of the participants were discussing rational things like how to produce more food, synthetic meat, etc. One of the speakers then went on to say how if humans could just convince a generation or two to not have children, the world pressures of overpopulation would be solved. One of the profs stared at him and said "do you realize not having children for a generation or two means we will go extinct?" The guy just stared off and mumbled that he hadnt thought about that!!!
    Hey, Strom Thurmond was still fathering children when he was in his 90's, so as long as we still have some horny old goats like Strom around, all is not lost!!
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    "We discuss kids constantly," she said, but "I can't imagine having a child when I have to pay over $600 per month just to my student loans." "It's crippling," she said. While there are many factors that contribute to a decision to postpone children, including changing attitudes about age and motherhood, access to birth control and increased opportunities in the workforce, student loans are increasingly to blame.

    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/22/stud...e-mothers.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Especially if smart people are holding back increasingly.

    More seriously, it's a wide scope issue.

    Male sperm counts have been on a steady decline for like 40 years.

    Like you pointed out, more women are opting for careers.

    More people are having abortions.
    The abortion rate dropped to it's lowest level in 2017 since Roe v Wade.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Quite a few countries with low birthrates have tried various approaches of doing that, of subsidizing people to have more children.
    We already, essentially, subsidize people having kids.
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