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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    And offering disability would be a perverse disincentive not to "fix" the problem.
    So if one is truly disabled because of their weight they just suffer? You are either disabled or you are not disabled, the reason for that disability is meaningless.

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    People used to be able to, but cannot any longer, get disability merely for drug or alcohol addiction. I am really not sure if that is right or wrong. It is a medical problem, but paying people to drink and drug doesn't seem right either. Seems like they'd need to be in treatment, at least. With other conditions that are expected to be resolvable, a person cannot refuse to resolve it and just sit and collect.

    It should be the same for obesity. If the obesity is the only thing holding one back, they shouldn't be paid to sit and eat themselves to death.

    Back to the OP, why is this any more acceptable than abusing alcohol or drugs? It's abusing food to the detriment of one's health. And relationships, which qualifies as a mental disorder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    People used to be able to, but cannot any longer, get disability merely for drug or alcohol addiction. I am really not sure if that is right or wrong. It is a medical problem, but paying people to drink and drug doesn't seem right either. Seems like they'd need to be in treatment, at least. With other conditions that are expected to be resolvable, a person cannot refuse to resolve it and just sit and collect.

    It should be the same for obesity. If the obesity is the only thing holding one back, they shouldn't be paid to sit and eat themselves to death.

    Back to the OP, why is this any more acceptable than abusing alcohol or drugs? It's abusing food to the detriment of one's health. And relationships, which qualifies as a mental disorder.
    I wonder how many in this country would truly be disabled and then told tough shit. We could easily have a half million people suffering because some don't think the reason is good enough.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    I wonder how many in this country would truly be disabled and then told tough shit. We could easily have a half million people suffering because some don't think the reason is good enough.
    It is almost impossible to be granted disability in Ohio. I work with a woman whose husband has MS and there are days he can't see, hold his urine, walk, etc. He has been declined 3 times for disability. He used to own a small company that supplied materials to tool and die manufacturers and had to close his business. The problem, he is only 44 and has good days and bad days. The State keeps trying to point him toward vocational rehab programs to retrain in another job. Obesity can be corrected or the person could retrain for another job...such as a remote worker from home. Medical coding and billing is an example. All of our medical coders work from home where I work...and it doesn't matter if a person is 500 pounds..it is a job where you can sit in a chair. The training is short and with certification, a person can make a decent wage.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    So if one is truly disabled because of their weight they just suffer? You are either disabled or you are not disabled, the reason for that disability is meaningless.
    If you are paying someone to be obese, then they have an incentive to stay obese.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    ? I had one story. My sister. I never claimed any %. You're just arguing with me for the sake of it.
    WTF?

    I'm not arguing with you at all. I appreciate the statistics and the anecdote.

    Sometimes...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    People used to be able to, but cannot any longer, get disability merely for drug or alcohol addiction. I am really not sure if that is right or wrong. It is a medical problem, but paying people to drink and drug doesn't seem right either. Seems like they'd need to be in treatment, at least. With other conditions that are expected to be resolvable, a person cannot refuse to resolve it and just sit and collect.

    It should be the same for obesity. If the obesity is the only thing holding one back, they shouldn't be paid to sit and eat themselves to death.

    Back to the OP, why is this any more acceptable than abusing alcohol or drugs? It's abusing food to the detriment of one's health. And relationships, which qualifies as a mental disorder.
    Those are fair points. But would that apply to cancer or other respiratory issues from smoking? Holding one accountable to the extreme could mean that even amputees could be denied if, say, their current state was due to their participation in an activity deemed risky. I know someone who lost a leg from a downhill skiing accident. Now, I have no idea if he's on disability or not, but could or should he be denied because he knew the risks of his behavior?

    It's an interesting topic once we apply the same philosophy to other predicaments that don't carry the same stigma as obesity.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Those are fair points. But would that apply to cancer or other respiratory issues from smoking? Holding one accountable to the extreme could mean that even amputees could be denied if, say, their current state was due to their participation in an activity deemed risky. I know someone who lost a leg from a downhill skiing accident. Now, I have no idea if he's on disability or not, but could or should he be denied because he knew the risks of his behavior?

    It's an interesting topic once we apply the same philosophy to other predicaments that don't carry the same stigma as obesity.
    That is what I meant by 'merely' obese, or addiction. If one's liver is already compromised to a point of no return from alcoholism, they aren't going to be punished for the cause, and the OP distinguished between people who have gotten morbidity issues from obesity and those who have not. I would have put smoking in there but I don't think there are any disabling aspects to smoking unless/until it causes serious health issues, so it's not really the same, whereas obesity or addiction to alcohol or drugs could 'disable' a person by themselves, but are able to be rectified (hopefully) (At least it is possible).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    I have a cousin who is struggling with obesity. Big time. It's wrecking her joints (every pound of excess weight adds four pounds of stress to your joints), she's borderline diabetic, has high blood pressure and there is a history heart problems on both her parents side of her family. Her brother died suddenly in his mid 40's when his enlarged heart (which he didn't know he had) exploded. He was overweight, but not what I would call obese.

    She's about 5'4" and easily over 300 pounds, although I've never asked because she's very sensitive about it. She struggles to walk and runs out of breath with very little effort. She told me her BMI is very high, too. I asked her if she's considered a lap band and surprisingly, she didn't even know what that was until I mentioned surgery, which she quickly replied "NO. No surgery."

    Her doctor finally laid down the law to her over the issues with her joints and told her her problem is her weight. For 6 years she's been in denial about this, blaming her job for having to be on her feet too much, an "exploded tendon" in her foot and then finally arthritis, but she's never seemed to embrace the idea that her weight is causing this. The doctor wrote her an order for a walker and she spent $5,000 on a Jacuzzi tub which after installed, she couldn't even fit in (it's 32") so she has upgraded to a bigger one which hasn't been installed yet, but it will cost even more money. She insists she can lose the weight with the proper diet, which I am sure is true, but I don't think at her point will power alone will be enough and the longer it takes I feel the damage to her joints will continue and be permanent and she might not be able to walk in another year.

    So she is retired, but I see a lot of younger people at Walmart who are morbidly obese and I started wondering if this qualifies as a disability for the purpose of getting benefits.

    I think of morbid obesity in much the same way as addiction, smoking or alcoholism, but I don't think being a drug addict qualifies you for benefits unless you have done serious damage to your body that renders you unable to work. From what I've read, it's the same way with obesity, once you develop morbidity issues, those can qualify you for benefits.

    Anyone have any thoughts on this? Should doctors have to insure a morbidly obese patient is taking adequate measures to insure someone is adhering to a weight loss program if they're going to classify the patient as disabled?

    Well, I think you see now the extent to which the discussion can devolve when you begin to invite folks to offer up moral judgments that they would prescribe as a prerequisite for social safety net benefits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Miller47 View Post
    Most obese people are at fault for their condition.

    They love to eat more than they want to live healthy.

    I know a lady, about 400 lbs, who can barely walk, and when asked about losing the weight, she admits that she loves food too much to change.

    It's her choice, but it's a temporary problem.

    Eat...get fat...die...problem solved.
    What a fucking stupid, asshole response.

    Fuck you, sir.

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