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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    That's not actually what happens. You can't pay a huge medical bill if you don't have the money. What happens instead is that the overall cost of medical treatment (and insurance) rises for those of us who do have medical insurance in order to cover the cost of indigent care. The individual who receives the bills that they can't pay simply goes bankrupt.

    That's why we made an effort to implement universal health-care insurance, but most of the progress that we made has already been undone under the Trump administration.
    Or, the ones who do not qualify for indigent care choose hospice because they don't want to leave their families debt ridden.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    They worship the greedy rich people, so of course they have no problem allowing companies make their life or death decisions
    I wonder if insurance companies have a panel of people to decide things like that. As long as they aren't government employees though, no biggie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    NEWS FLASH!!!! This is not the UK.
    Yes it is. Itís a story that took place in the UK. Everything about this story happened in the UK.

    Do you mean that you, personally, yourself, as an individual donít live in the UK?

    What does that have to do with the article or anyone else posting here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hollywood View Post
    You do? Then you are unbelievably naÔve and gullible.
    I'm gullible? Do you trust the government to make your healthcare decisions for you? Ask those who died waiting for care from the VA. That's government healthcare for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    Or, the ones who do not qualify for indigent care choose hospice because they don't want to leave their families debt ridden.

    Nobody can be turned away from ER care. It's certainly not the most efficient way to provide non-emergency medical care, but it's pretty much the only thing that Americans have to fall back on.


    EDIT: Well, there is another alternative. That's why our suicide rate has been skyrocketing recently.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Nobody can be turned away from ER care. It's certainly not the most efficient way to provide non-emergency medical care, but it's pretty much the only thing that Americans have to fall back on.
    The ER just stabilizes you...it does not treat the conditions long term. We call it "treat street" For example, if a patient visits the ER with a severe headache and a CT shows a tumor, that is far as it goes. They will make referrals to oncology and that is where the insurance company gets involved. The specialist will try to find help if a patient qualifies but if it fails and the patient doesn't have money, they will hand you a card for hospice.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    The ER just stabilizes you...it does not treat the conditions long term. We call it "treat street" For example, if a patient visits the ER with a severe headache and a CT shows a tumor, that is far as it goes. They will make referrals to oncology and that is where the insurance company gets involved. The specialist will try to find help if a patient qualifies but if it fails and the patient doesn't have money, they will hand you a card for hospice.


    Suicide is easier.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    This guy started a fund raising campaign. That was probably the best tactic he could have pursued.

    What would you do if your insurance provider refused to cover a medical procedure that you could not afford personally?
    That's totally different. When a private insurance company does it, it's not bad because free market and profits and stuff.

    When the government does it Stalin death panels [unintelligible] and stuff...

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    What do we do when United Healthcare says no to treatments that could save your life?
    He does not mind that so much. If you cannot afford to live, it is your own fault and you deserve to die ... seems to be his philosophy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by StanStill View Post
    That's totally different. When a private insurance company does it, it's not bad because free market and profits and stuff.

    When the government does it Stalin death panels [unintelligible] and stuff...

    Well yes, that's obviously the point being made by the OP.

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