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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Hey but that have that card that says they have that silver plan. A lot of people learned some new words after the PPACA got passed. Free healthcare? Not hardly. There's premiums, deductibles, copays.
    I like to play around with the subsidy calculators during open enrollment for the exchanges. I do not meet the subsidies. Try it sometime, plug in your age, toss in a few pre-existing conditions and see how much your premiums would be, on top of the deductibles. A person is accepted with pre-existing conditions but the premiums and deductibles will price them right out of the market. This is why so many chose to take the penalties...they could not afford the "affordable" plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HCProf View Post
    I like to play around with the subsidy calculators during open enrollment for the exchanges. I do not meet the subsidies. Try it sometime, plug in your age, toss in a few pre-existing conditions and see how much your premiums would be, on top of the deductibles. A person is accepted with pre-existing conditions but the premiums and deductibles will price them right out of the market. This is why so many chose to take the penalties...they could not afford the "affordable" plan.
    We gave a good employee a raise a couple of years ago, that following year she was livid, her raise caused her to no longer qualify for subsidies and she also got her Section 8 cut.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    What do you do when the government refuses to cover the treatment that will save your life? Mo Haque was not going to just die. He started trying to find a way to fund the immunotherapy treatments that would save his life. I know that many think that socialized medicine is the answer, what happens when you are in your early thirties and the government isn't willing to spend the money for your treatment? That's what happened to Mo Haque in the United Kingdom. NHS would not pay for immunotherapy for his type of cancer. His latest update this month says that his cancer is reducing in size.

    What do you do if you dropped your ins because it was frightfully expensive or you bought one of the shitty plans that trump thinks is acceptable and they didn't pay for it either? The horror stories of those bankrupt families because they had no coverage at all outnumber this case 1000 to 1. I'm sure your opinion is too fucking bad you should have had insurance but that is simply unacceptable. I'd rather see an isolated incident where someone can't get immunotherapy than 1000 unable to get simple chemotherapy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    What do you do when the NHS tells you No to the treatment that will save your life?
    What do you do here when you don't have ins and they tell you the same thing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    That would be the insurance provider and policy that I chose. My insurance provider has never refused me a treatment. Many of you want to trust the government to decide IF you should have treatment.
    What if you don't have one? So you know before responding, saying too bad you should have bought some is unacceptable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Again, I know what my insurance policy covers. I read it. I compared the policies. I made the decision.
    Do you know what the policy that millions of Americans are forced to drop because they can't afford one covers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    You asked a hypothetical question about something that has not happened to me. How about this, if my insurance would not pay for my treatment then I would pay for it. Now, there's an answer. Do you trust the federal government to make the healthcare decisions for you about what you should have or not have?
    How is the person who can't afford health ins to begin with going to pay for it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Yes, I do. I think that if I choose the right policy, pay my premiums, they will cover what they state that they will cover in the policy. Read it. I do not trust the government which changes political directs once or twice a decade. How many times have we heard about the miserable job they've done with the Social Security money?
    In others words fuck the rest of my fellow citizens, they can die for all I care, I got mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    I'm gullible? Do you trust the government to make your healthcare decisions for you? Ask those who died waiting for care from the VA. That's government healthcare for you.
    what sort of healthcare do those 30+ million with no ins get?

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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    Nobody can be turned away from ER care. It's certainly not the most efficient way to provide non-emergency medical care, but it's pretty much the only thing that Americans have to fall back on.
    Yes if you have an emergency the ER will patch you up, send you on your way and bill the taxpayer, but, if what you need is expensive cancer treatment where do you get that? You don't.


    EDIT: Well, there is another alternative. That's why our suicide rate has been skyrocketing recently.[/QUOTE]

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