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    Forcing Women to Carry Stillborn Fetuses

    A speech from a Georgia Republican state representative surfaced last week in which he compared women seeking abortions of stillborn fetuses to cows and pigs.

    State Rep. Terry England was speaking in favor of HB 954, which makes it illegal to obtain an abortion after 20 weeks even if the woman is known to be carrying a stillborn fetus or the baby is otherwise not expected to live to term.
    He then recalled his time working on a farm:
    “Life gives us many experiences…I’ve had the experience of delivering calves, dead and alive. Delivering pigs, dead or alive. It breaks our hearts to see those animals not make it.”

    Here's the thing. Yes, it's disgusting that this cretinous throwback compared women to pigs and cows. Butwhat's shocking me down to the soles of my feet about this one is that a political body is actually trying to pass legislation forcing women to carry a dead fetus to term. What can possibly be the excuse for something that grotesque? It's sick.
    That is seriously sick. What the hell are these people thinking?!

    Digby goes onto quote a doctor from the Univ of VA:

    The American College of Obstetricians and Gynecologists recommend dilation and extraction or induction of labor once the diagnosis of stillbirth has been made. The risks of carrying a non-viable fetus are the higher complication rate of delivery versus dilation and extraction, as well as a very high risk to the mother of complications like disseminated intravascular coagulation (DIC) if the amniotic sac is ruptured and she is exposed to the dying tissue. For stillbirth or nonviable pregnancies, dilation and extraction is far safer and more effective with 24% of patients undergoing labor experiencing complications compared to 3% for D&E.
    Well, afterall we're just speaking of women's lives. Who cares about them. Digby quotes St. Augustine:

    "I don't see what sort of help woman was created to provide man with, if one excludes the purpose of procreation. If woman was not given to man for help in bearing children, for what help could she be?"

    Hullabaloo

    Women made such gains through the 20th century in the US and now these freaks are determined to undo all of it. I find it all so depressing.

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    These people are seriously trying to out crazy one another on the issue of a woman's body.

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    is it even an abortion if the fetus is already dead? and is the language "known to be carrying a stillborn fetus" in the bill? if it's "stillborn," that means it's no longer being "carried" by anyone. that's really clumsy writing/reasoning.

    also, this guy seems to be talking about delivering calves etc. he seemed to be expecting to be alive only to be heartbroken when they were actually stillborn. how is that an argument for forcing anyone to carry a dead fetus to term? seems like he should be calling for abortion -- or pregnancy termination, at least -- in these instances to avoid the heartbreak he's talking about.

    do dead fetuses even have "terms"? aren't dead fetuses miscarried, not carried to term?

    i dunno, i'm the furthest thing from an obstetrician but this guy seems seriously confused, even by the low standards of your typical anti-choice troglodyte.

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    I know a few women who carried their stillborn to delivery, but that was if the child died in the womb in the later part of pregnancy, don't know if it still holds true to today, but my guess is it does. So sad to go through all that knowing your child is dead.

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    There are some seriously messed up people in this country. To bad so many are in government.

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    I think they are including the dead fetus scenario in the legislation as a way to exclude all exceptions in the hopes of depriving clinics who do this sort of thing of any reason to exist.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    That is seriously sick. What the hell are these people thinking?!

    Digby goes onto quote a doctor from the Univ of VA:



    Well, afterall we're just speaking of women's lives. Who cares about them. Digby quotes St. Augustine:

    "I don't see what sort of help woman was created to provide man with, if one excludes the purpose of procreation. If woman was not given to man for help in bearing children, for what help could she be?"

    Hullabaloo

    Women made such gains through the 20th century in the US and now these freaks are determined to undo all of it. I find it all so depressing.
    That anyone would consider legislating requiring a woman to carry a dead fetus is psychotic. Wow.

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    Slightly off topic, but that reminds me of this story...

    The curious case of the stone baby

    While a 92-year-old woman delivering a 60-year-old baby may sound like a bizarre plot twist from the movie "Benjamin Button," it's true. Huang Yijun, 92, of southern China, recently delivered a child which she'd been carrying for well over half a century.
    The baby wasn't alive, however. The woman was carrying a lithopedion — or stone baby. It's a rare phenomenon that occurs when a pregnancy fails and the fetus calcifies while still in the mother's body.

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    Add another elected official to the Footinmouth Club.

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