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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    So does apple pie and vanilla ice cream. That doesn't make them the same thing.



    I wish that would have included numbers for people who self identify as pro life.
    Another flawed comparison. You can eat apple pie without ice cream but you can't get a mammo without a breast exam first. A mammo is almost always done with a Dr. recommendation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Another flawed comparison. You can eat apple pie without ice cream but you can't get a mammo without a breast exam first. A mammo is almost always done with a Dr. recommendation.
    But you can get a breast exam without a mammogram. And that's all that PP does. I have the ability to call 911. That doesn't make me a cop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtm1963 View Post
    in the beginning this idea sounded like a good thing, i agree its went bust for the most part.
    You talking about this thread?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    But you can get a breast exam without a mammogram. And that's all that PP does. I have the ability to call 911. That doesn't make me a cop.
    You really want to die on this hill don't you? It's true you can get a breast exam without a mammogram - but if you don't have insurance or are not covered under the ACA, it's not cheap to get a breast exam on your own. So unless a women feels a lump, she's probably not going to go out of pocket for a breast exam, and by then it's usually too late. And that is where PP comes in. Those are the women they need their services for all the preventive care they provide. Especially the ones who are over 45 or with a known family member of breast cancer. They are at higher risk..
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    You really want to die on this hill don't you? It's true you can get a breast exam without a mammogram - but if you don't have insurance or are not covered under the ACA, it's not cheap to get a breast exam on your own. So unless a women feels a lump, she's probably not going to go out of pocket for a breast exam, and by then it's usually too late. And that is where PP comes in. Those are the women they need their services for all the preventive care they provide. Especially the ones who are over 45 or with a known family member of breast cancer. They are at higher risk..
    There's nothing to die over. Facts are facts. Either PP does mammograms or they don't. Since they do not even have the equipment to perform one, then it is a lie to claim that they do. But the hacks at Politifact bent over backwards to find a way to avoid giving a Democrat a severe rating. So here we are having a ridiculous argument where people are trying to call breast exams the same thing as mammograms.
    Right here is the flaw with so called fact checkers. We're sitting here arguing over an objective fact when there isn't any argument to have. Planned Parenthood does not do mammograms. Full stop. Politifact is trying to put lipstick on a pig when they rate that as anything less than a false statement.
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    This is just nit picky bullshit. A lot of people probably don't know that mammograms and breast exams are not the same thing. You're the one bending over backwards because you desperately want to call O'Mally a liar. It's fucking weird, he likely just didn't know the difference. And even saying O'Mally was wrong about the mammogram thing, PP services are still 97% of their services, which is why they rated it half true.

    Anyway, for many of these women that are referred to a mammogram they wouldn't be able to get said mammogram without the PP referral. Just because PP doesn't do the physical mammograms onsite doesn't mean they aren't responsible for women getting them.

    "Planned Parenthood helps women nationwide get access to mammograms, as part of the range of health care Planned Parenthood health centers provide to nearly three million people a year. Planned Parenthood doctors and nurses do this like any other primary care provider or ob-gyn does," the statement said, adding that "women rely on Planned Parenthood for referrals for and financial help with mammograms and specialized diagnostic follow-up tests (like ultrasounds and biopsies) when indicated by age, history and/or clinical breast exam."

    Your PP hate is getting really really really desperate
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunchboxxy View Post
    This is just nit picky bullshit. A lot of people probably don't know that mammograms and breast exams are not the same thing. You're the one bending over backwards because you desperately want to call O'Mally a liar. It's fucking weird, he likely just didn't know the difference.

    Anyway, for many of these women that are referred to a mammogram they wouldn't be able to get said mammogram without the PP referral. Just because PP doesn't do the physical mammograms onsite doesn't mean they aren't responsible for women getting them.

    Your PP hate is getting really really really desperate
    Repeat after me. Planned. Parenthood. Does. Not. Do. Mammograms.
    O'Malley's ignorance does not make his statement true. Either Politifact deals in facts or they don't. It's pretty clear by now that they don't. They go out of their way to rate factually accurate statements by conservatives as false and to pad the ratings for liberals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Repeat after me. Planned. Parenthood. Does. Not. Do. Mammograms.
    O'Malley's ignorance does not make his statement true. Either Politifact deals in facts or they don't. It's pretty clear by now that they don't. They go out of their way to rate factually accurate statements by conservatives as false and to pad the ratings for liberals.
    Lord, it's like talking to a brick. Mammograms are not the only thing that O'Mally mentioned. That's just all that you are capable of seeing with your fucking blinders on. He also said "preventative health". Since a majority of PP services are preventative health, that's why they rated it half true dispite the mammograms.

    O’Malley said, "97 percent of the work that Planned Parenthood does is about mammograms and preventative health."

    According to Planned Parenthood, about 97 percent of the services the group provides in a given year are services other than abortion. That includes preventive and primary care. Preventive care accounts for about 85 to 90 percent of the services Planned Parenthood provides.

    While mammograms are considered a form of preventive care, Planned Parenthood doesn’t do their own mammograms. Clinics perform breast exams and refer patients to outside clinics for an actual mammogram.

    The claim wasn’t pulled out of thin air, but it’s missing some important information, so we rate O’Malley’s claim Half True
    You're so desperate for outrage that you don't even finish reading the article.



    And if you want to get technical here, since youre so desperate to hang on to any minute detail that might mean "OMG the Dems and politifact are in on a conspiracy!!", O'mally actully said the work PP does is "about mammograms" not "preforming mammograms". And indeed, preforming breast exams and providing referrals and financial assistance to women for mammograms is certainly "about mammograms" in my book.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    A breast exam is not a mammogram any more than an eye exam is an MRI. Planned Parenthood doesn't do mammograms. So saying that they do is false.
    I may be Wong,but I swear I read in Babbas post that PP does not do actual mammograms.

    Also Doctors recommend that patients do self examination,and if you find a suspicious lump, notify your Doctor. That is what PP does.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Repeat after me. Planned. Parenthood. Does. Not. Do. Mammograms.
    O'Malley's ignorance does not make his statement true. Either Politifact deals in facts or they don't. It's pretty clear by now that they don't. They go out of their way to rate factually accurate statements by conservatives as false and to pad the ratings for liberals.
    Gee, I could have sworn that is what Babbas post said!
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