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    Quote Originally Posted by MGunner View Post
    Ummm.... If a person can do the exam on their own why bother with PP? If a woman does it herself and then finds something suspicious wtf is PP gonna do? "Ayup! That's certainly suspicious! Go see your doctor!"
    PP recommends a Mammogram! Not all young or poor women are aware of the self exam.

    You are avoiding the fact you did not read the article before going off on your man rant.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Rich Lowry pointed out that by this kind of logic, Major League Baseball should be considered a hot dog distributor instead of a spurts league. After all, there's only a couple thousand Ganges a year but they sell millions of hot dogs.
    Rich Lowry huh? Why am I not surprised. And a yet another guy.

    When all the women on a thread are in agreement about something that men don't ever have to do, that should tell you something. Like how most men don't understand the process

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    Ummm.... If a person can do the exam on their own why bother with PP? If a woman does it herself and then finds something suspicious wtf is PP gonna do? "Ayup! That's certainly suspicious! Go see your doctor!"
    You have to get doctors referral to get a mammogram. You can not just do your own self-exam and then walk into a Mammogram facility without forking over big bucks. PP provides that doctor's referral. Doctors are also pretty good at telling if a lump is benign or not. Self-exams are not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Rich Lowry huh? Why am I not surprised. And a yet another guy.

    When all the women on a thread are in agreement about something that men don't ever have to do, that should tell you something. Like how most men don't understand the process

    Perfect example




    You have to get doctors referral to get a mammogram. You can not just do your own self-exam and then walk into a Mammogram facility without forking over big bucks. PP provides that doctor's referral. Doctors are also pretty good at telling if a lump is benign or not. Self-exams are not.
    I am waiting for the day they have their man parts put in that machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lunchboxxy View Post
    Lord, it's like talking to a brick. Mammograms are not the only thing that O'Mally mentioned. That's just all that you are capable of seeing with your fucking blinders on. He also said "preventative health". Since a majority of PP services are preventative health, that's why they rated it half true dispite the mammograms.



    You're so desperate for outrage that you don't even finish reading the article.



    And if you want to get technical here, since youre so desperate to hang on to any minute detail that might mean "OMG the Dems and politifact are in on a conspiracy!!", O'mally actully said the work PP does is "about mammograms" not "preforming mammograms". And indeed, preforming breast exams and providing referrals and financial assistance to women for mammograms is certainly "about mammograms" in my book.
    What else do you expect, from people who have the nerve to "demand facts" yet never actually have any to defend their caveman ideology. They have no foot to stand on trying to play semantics. They don't have facts most of the time, which is why they have to play semantics, they have to make up their own conclusions to things that don't support those conclusion, they have to play games.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    You really want to die on this hill don't you? It's true you can get a breast exam without a mammogram - but if you don't have insurance or are not covered under the ACA, it's not cheap to get a breast exam on your own. So unless a women feels a lump, she's probably not going to go out of pocket for a breast exam, and by then it's usually too late. And that is where PP comes in. Those are the women they need their services for all the preventive care they provide. Especially the ones who are over 45 or with a known family member of breast cancer. They are at higher risk..
    He really wants to die on this hill, yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    Rich Lowry huh? Why am I not surprised. And a yet another guy.

    When all the women on a thread are in agreement about something that men don't ever have to do, that should tell you something. Like how most men don't understand the process

    Perfect example




    You have to get doctors referral to get a mammogram. You can not just do your own self-exam and then walk into a Mammogram facility without forking over big bucks. PP provides that doctor's referral. Doctors are also pretty good at telling if a lump is benign or not. Self-exams are not.
    Just because the board liberals all agree on something does not mean that anyone else has to concede the argument. PP does not do mammograms. So anyone claiming they do is making a false statement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr Sampson Simpson View Post
    What else do you expect, from people who have the nerve to "demand facts" yet never actually have any to defend their caveman ideology. They have no foot to stand on trying to play semantics. They don't have facts most of the time, which is why they have to play semantics, they have to make up their own conclusions to things that don't support those conclusion, they have to play games.
    Semantics? How about you stop whining for once and actually address a topics? Planned Parenthood doesn't do mammograms. They have zero facilities licensed to perform them. Hold on, let me count again... Nope, still zero. How is that a fucking semantics argument? Now, on the other hand, trying to pretend that a breast exam is the same thing is a semantics argument.
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    Here's another example of Politifact spin, only the other way. Rush Limbaugh quoted this statement from The Federalist website.
    Between 2009 and 2012, the Clinton Foundation raised over $500 million dollars according to a review of IRS documents by The Federalist (2012, 2011, 2010, 2009, 2008). A measly 15 percent of that, or $75 million, went towards programmatic grants.
    There is nothing subjective about that. It's math and this is on their tax records. Somehow, Pundifact (a Politifact spinoff) weaseled their way into saying an objective fact was Mostly False. The Pundifact writer even admitted in an email that his facts were "clearly accurate" and "technically true". But Pundifact goes out of their way to spin a Mostly False rating.
    PunditFact: A Case Study In Fact-Free Hackery
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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Just because the board liberals all agree on something does not mean that anyone else has to concede the argument. PP does not do mammograms. So anyone claiming they do is making a false statement.
    It has nothing to do with being liberal - it has everything to do with being a women and knowing how the process works. No Dr. recommendation - no mammogram.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    It has nothing to do with being liberal - it has everything to do with being a women and knowing how the process works. No Dr. recommendation - no mammogram.
    Doctors order all kinds of tests, that doesn't mean a facility has the means to perform them. Patients are referred to outside facilities for tests all the time. Even Kaiser will refer patients to outside facilities or labs when they don't have the means to perform certain tests. My Kaiser member mother had her chemo performed at a local Catholic hospital. Docs at the local Vets Home order procedures all the time which often are performed at the same local Catholic non profit hospital, SF VA or specialized clinics in the area.

    I don't see why some here have so much trouble understanding this simple and widespread practice.

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