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    Well obviously they aren't going to hire bloviating nutbags like Glen Beck and Alex Jones. Lets not say that because he's an ivy leaguer that he's not really a conservative. And lets not fall into their idiot trap of actually believing that Obama was some kind of socialist.
    I'm merely reflecting my observation that the approved "rightwingers" on PBS and NPR and our local affiliate WPR have generally needed to be willing to appreciate much about the left and have needed to explicitly disavow some rightwing ideas, and leftwingers haven't needed to show as much appreciation of the other side to earn their berth.

    A willingness to disagree with the rightwing mainstream seems to be a job requirement for the token "conservatives" on those networks. Without a reciprocal requirement for liberal panelists.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    I'm merely reflecting my observation that the approved "rightwingers" on PBS and NPR and our local affiliate WPR have generally needed to be willing to appreciate much about the left and have needed to explicitly disavow some rightwing ideas, and leftwingers haven't needed to show as much appreciation of the other side to earn their berth.

    A willingness to disagree with the rightwing mainstream seems to be a job requirement for the token "conservatives" on those networks. Without a reciprocal requirement for liberal panelists.

    P.s., the somewhat reciprocal situation would have been Fox's leftwing panelists such as Juan Williams and how they earned their spot as regulars on Fox. ... at least back when I still watched cable news ... which hasn't been in almost 10 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    Classic. Pretend to be advocating against wealth inequality while feeding the chasm of bullshit between the Haves and the Have-Nots. Divide, divide, divide. If I analyzed 100 articles in any publication on any given day and tried to nail down their intention, 98 of them would be "To increase division and fear in America".
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    I don't care how you twist it, lack of knowledge of obscure Italian foods and Italian literature or whatever the references were is more an indication of geographical accident than sophistication or class.

    Perhaps he was trying to use a cutesy way of getting to his subject but it really came across as crass.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    I don't care how you twist it, lack of knowledge of obscure Italian foods and Italian literature or whatever the references were is more an indication of geographical accident than sophistication or class.

    Perhaps he was trying to use a cutesy way of getting to his subject but it really came across as crass.
    It has to have been made up. "Suddenly I realized...my poor uneducated friend was LOST!! Yes, this person who LIVES IN NEW YORK CITY doesn't know what's on a FUCKING DELI SANDWICH."

    You know what? My children don't EVEN have a high school education yet, and THEY can tell you about these fucking sandwiches.

    Contrived, stupid, evil lies, the whole stupid thing. Designed to undermine the point it purports to be making. Like Krugman, that other shill for the status quo who pretends to be a Liberal over at that propaganda rag.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Macduff View Post
    That story about the sandwich shop reveals a lot of condescension. I think he could stand not to look down on people. I know a lot of incredibly well read and informed people who don't have college degrees. I know of a lot of families where the wealthiest person in that family didn't extend their education past high school. I doubt this was as jarring an experience for his friend as he made it out to be.
    Why do you think he was looking down on anyone? What in his language suggests that? If he were looking down on her, why know her at all? Why offer to take her to lunch? It's not like offering to take someone to the opera, where they know ahead of time if they like/understand/want to see it. It's just lunch.

    Nothing about what Brooks has written in the past suggests he's anything but humble in the way he approaches things. Have you ever heard him talk?

    This incident was a misunderstanding--one Brooks takes responsibility for. But if you know something and there's a problem that results from someone else NOT knowing it, how is it even possible to handle that situation without acknowledging the facts knowing or not knowing?

    I'm particularly interested because part of my job is to instill tastes in people. I introduce people to all sorts of literature that they've never seen before and often don't understand until I read it aloud or explain it to them. Would you condemn me as elitist? I'm not sure how one teaches Chaucer or Shakespeare or Milton without inviting someone into unknown and maybe complex, yet-to-be-explored territory. Shouldn't we all be open and interested in new things? When my brother-in-law from Texas asked offered to take me along when he went shooting with a new, high-powered assault-type rifle (something I know nothing about), should I have just said, "No, I'll just sit here and read my fancy-shmancy novel?" No--I was open to new experiences. I didn't mind his showing me how to use the thing. I didn't even mind the giddy little-girl noises he made in his delight over the new toy. And while he did make a couple of snide remarks about my politics, I never thought of him as "elitist" or better than me because he knows more about an area of his interest than I do.

    If I encounter new food, I'm skittish, but I ask questions and learn something. I don't get all scared and insist on Mexican. At least not since I was a child.
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    Something tells me Brooks did not say to his friend "Isn't this so much better than that shit you eat at the chain restaurant?" THAT would be elitist.

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    Elitist things to say at a sandwich shop:

    If you eat that open-faced, I'm leaving.

    Cheddar? Cheddar?! Why not motor oil!?

    Let me guess... white bread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Saw that being made fun of on Twitter. By everyone. The pretentiousness of gourmet food is low hanging fruit (no pun intended) as far as humor goes. Frazier and Niles Crane come to mind.

    On the other hand, JD Vance's book "Hillbilly Elegy" discusses his before and after Harvard view of Cracker Barrel being the highlight of his dining experiences, so it's not just lefties that are food snobs.

    That was a great book.

    @Dutch turned me on to that when he was still active around here. Have not seen/heard from him for a while.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Why do you think he was looking down on anyone? What in his language suggests that? If he were looking down on her, why know her at all? Why offer to take her to lunch? It's not like offering to take someone to the opera, where they know ahead of time if they like/understand/want to see it. It's just lunch.

    Nothing about what Brooks has written in the past suggests he's anything but humble in the way he approaches things. Have you ever heard him talk?

    This incident was a misunderstanding--one Brooks takes responsibility for. But if you know something and there's a problem that results from someone else NOT knowing it, how is it even possible to handle that situation without acknowledging the facts knowing or not knowing?

    I'm particularly interested because part of my job is to instill tastes in people. I introduce people to all sorts of literature that they've never seen before and often don't understand until I read it aloud or explain it to them. Would you condemn me as elitist? I'm not sure how one teaches Chaucer or Shakespeare or Milton without inviting someone into unknown and maybe complex, yet-to-be-explored territory. Shouldn't we all be open and interested in new things? When my brother-in-law from Texas asked offered to take me along when he went shooting with a new, high-powered assault-type rifle (something I know nothing about), should I have just said, "No, I'll just sit here and read my fancy-shmancy novel?" No--I was open to new experiences. I didn't mind his showing me how to use the thing. I didn't even mind the giddy little-girl noises he made in his delight over the new toy. And while he did make a couple of snide remarks about my politics, I never thought of him as "elitist" or better than me because he knows more about an area of his interest than I do.

    If I encounter new food, I'm skittish, but I ask questions and learn something. I don't get all scared and insist on Mexican. At least not since I was a child.
    "only a high school degree".
    People simply don't have this kind of primal fear reaction to foods they aren't familiar with (assuming his friend was truly unfamiliar with deli meats.). From his description, you'd think someone lifted the cover off a plate to reveal a boiled sheep's head or a plate full of insects. Does he really think that it takes a college degree to know what a baguette is?

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