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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I like the electoral college, but no matter.
    Just as a note--I'm not suggesting we reform the electoral college--just the deadlines by which they must meet and render a decision. It would be simple enough to specify an ideal date for each set of electors to gather for voting but allow others to delay if the outcome of the election in their state is in doubt. No reason the Florida electors should have to meet before, say January 13th (a week before the required inauguration date) if the election there is still in question. That would add about four weeks to the timeline, if necessary. Plenty of time to recount and even recount again.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    Did he break the law at that time? Sure, his dirty tricks were nasty, but they became SOP after that. You think Nixon was the only one ever to do oppo research? Why single out Gore for something every pol does?
    Nixon tried to set himself up as dictator. If you don't think what he did was ILLEGAL, not to mention evil, I hope that's only because you don't know the details.

    Actually, you're suggesting Gore should have acted MORE like Nixon. If you recall, there were serious questions about voting in states Kennedy won narrowly, but Nixon refused to pursue recounts, etc. Some credited him for that, but I'll bet it had something to do with his losing the popular vote--something that didn't happen with Gore, you'll also recall.
    No, I am suggesting that suing to decertify election results is so corrosive to the public's confidence that elections in the US are fair as to be absolutely beyond the pale for any presidental candidate.

    WWII era technology is BETTER than the all-electronic methods used in some states today.
    Computers are a thing! So is the internet. We vote as if the telegram has not been invented.

    It's stupid.

    Or because Americans want their election returns almost instantaneously. We've chosen exciting election nights over verifiable accuracy.
    Yeah, they are exciting. I'll grant you that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Nixon tried to set himself up as dictator. If you don't think what he did was ILLEGAL, not to mention evil, I hope that's only because you don't know the details.
    In 1968? I guess not. Pretty volatile election, as I recall. Riots. A dead candidate. I thought you were talking about Muskie.
    No, I am suggesting that suing to decertify election results is so corrosive to the public's confidence that elections in the US are fair as to be absolutely beyond the pale for any presidental candidate.
    I'd say refusing to get a true count of votes is as corrosive as anything.
    Computers are a thing! So is the internet. We vote as if the telegram has not been invented.

    It's stupid.
    Are YOU taking note of the details? The lack of permanent, physical record of votes is the PROBLEM with voting procedures in many states.
    Yeah, they are exciting. I'll grant you that.
    If that's what you're granting me, you didn't pay attention to what I said.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rasselas View Post
    In 1968? I guess not. Pretty volatile election, as I recall. Riots. A dead candidate. I thought you were talking about Muskie.
    Fuck me! 1972's election. Nixon resigned in 1974.

    My memory is DA SHITZ.

    Thanks for correcting me!

    I'd say refusing to get a true count of votes is as corrosive as anything.
    There is no such thing as an Absolutely Perfect Vote, or an Absolutelly Perfect Election.

    Are YOU taking note of the details? The lack of permanent, physical record of votes is the PROBLEM with voting procedures in many states.
    If that's what you're granting me, you didn't pay attention to what I said.
    Whut? We can run the NY Stock Exchange without "permanent, paper records". The American banking system. We move toxic waste without them.

    But somehow, computers are insufficient to record VOTES?

    Not buying it. I have no doubt there have been issues with voting online, but this is not because there isn't enough paper involved.

    IMO, anyway.

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