Thread: Despite year of upheaval, FOX News ends the year on top

Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12

Bull SHIT! For 15 years I had to buy 3 levels UP from my cable provider to get MSNBC, FOX came in on 1 level (after the 'antenna package'). I feel more than certain there are many providers who still have that kind of setup! Plus Murdoch paid BIG for cable providers to carry FOX. Wonder how that works today!

Well you can believe Fox News is still number one in cable news because of their cable set ups if you like. I on the other hand believe it's more likely because CNN and MSNBC have degraded themselves into mindless anti-Trump propaganda outlets where they literally obsess over hating the President 24/7 and offer nothing of real value. They are just a place for TDS junkies to get their fix.

There is some of that on Fox. But not nearly as much.

It's all entertainment tv, no real news other than "Happenings" are reported. As soon as opinion comes into play, the news is over.

Originally Posted by Jeremy

Well you can believe Fox News is still number one in cable news because of their cable set ups if you like. I on the other hand believe it's more likely because CNN and MSNBC have degraded themselves into mindless anti-Trump propaganda outlets where they literally obsess over hating the President 24/7 and offer nothing of real value. They are just a place for TDS junkies to get their fix.

There is some of that on Fox. But not nearly as much.

Let me put it to you this way. Unless we know how FOX and MSNBC is carried around the country, your # is BULLSHIT. NBC, ABC and CBS on 'average' gets 2 - 4 X the amount of viewers than FOX GETS ALL DAY LONG! You know, old timey, broadcast news. That's some REAL perspective.

Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12

Let me put it to you this way. Unless we know how FOX is carried around the country, your # is BULLSHIT. NBC, ABC and CBS on 'average' gets 2 - 4 X the amount of viewers than FOX GETS ALL DAY LONG! You know, old timey, broadcast news. That's some REAL perspective.

And let me put it to you this way:

I used to watch CNN regularly. Since Trump was elected - I no longer bother because the network has literally turned into one long talk show with an endless array of so-called commentators who basically compete with one another to trash the President. It's not that I'm liking Fox News any more than I used to (because I'm not - in fact, I believe it's quality has decreased due to all the turmoil and axed hosts) it's just that CNN has debased itself to such an extent it's embarrassing to even watch at this point.

So all the turmoil at Fox has had an effect on the network. Just not nearly enough to make up for what it's competing networks have debased themselves into.

Originally Posted by Jeremy

And let me put it to you this way:

I used to watch CNN regularly. Since Trump was elected - I no longer bother because the network has literally turned into one long talk show with an endless array of so-called commentators who basically compete with one another to trash the President. It's not that I'm liking Fox News any more that I used to (because I'm not - in fact, I believe it's quality has decreased due to all the turmoil and axed hosts) it's just that CNN has debased itself to such an extent it's embarrassing to even watch at this point.

So all the turmoil at Fox has had an effect on the network. Just not nearly enough to make up for what it's competing networks have debased themselves into.

And FOX sucks up. So what's the difference? CNN and MSNBC are run by 'news people', have fact checkers, omsbudsmen--standards. FOX had Roger Aisles. Who was entertainment producer. Remember, if there had been no FOX there would be no MSNBC.

Debasing, that's an interesting choice of words with AISLES and OREILLY in the driver seats for 15 or so years! Rich.

Originally Posted by cpicturetaker12

And FOX sucks up. So what's the difference? CNN and MSNBC are run by 'news people', have fact checkers, omsbudsmen--standards. FOX had Roger Aisles. Who was entertainment producer. Remember, if there had been no FOX there would be no MSNBC.

Debasing, that's an interesting choice of words with AISLES and OREILLY in the driver seats for 15 or so years! Rich.

If CNN has standards then they are really bad ones as I don't see how anyone can watch that crap and consider it news.

Originally Posted by Jeremy

And let me put it to you this way:

I used to watch CNN regularly. Since Trump was elected - I no longer bother because the network has literally turned into one long talk show with an endless array of so-called commentators who basically compete with one another to trash the President. It's not that I'm liking Fox News any more than I used to (because I'm not - in fact, I believe it's quality has decreased due to all the turmoil and axed hosts) it's just that CNN has debased itself to such an extent it's embarrassing to even watch at this point.

So all the turmoil at Fox has had an effect on the network. Just not nearly enough to make up for what it's competing networks have debased themselves into.

I agree with everything you said about CNN..

Originally Posted by HayJenn

No, it's the Trump loyal base who watches Faux News. They have literally turned in the Trump Propaganda Network - especially when it comes to the Muller investigation.


2017 cable news ratings broke records again and again, and the year end numbers are no slouch either.

For the period beginning Dec. 26, 2016 and ending Dec. 10, 2017, Fox News was on top in both primetime and total day viewership, but MSNBC posted the biggest percentage gains in the key measures. CNN also posted its highest ratings on record in total day in the demo and total viewers for the year. In primtime, CNN had its second most watched year since 2008, also in both measures.

In primetime, Fox News was number one with an average of 2.42 million viewers with 488,000 of those falling in the key adults 25-54 demographic. That is approximately even with the network’s performance in both measures last year. MSNBC was second with 1.62 million viewers and 370,000 in the demo, an impressive increase of 50 percent in total viewers and 37 percent in the demo. CNN was third in total viewers with 1.06 million and tied MSNBC in the demo with 370,000, down 15 percent in total viewers and 13 percent in the demo.

Cable News Ratings: MSNBC Posts Biggest Percentage Gains of 2017 ? Variety

Think about this. You have two stations competing against one. Consolidate the two against Fox. I watch both stations.if one is boring I switch. Mostly background noise.
Die hard Fox watchers have no choice. I do,plus many more that have a variety of shows.

Watching repetitive programs are tiresome. A good book beats them all.

Originally Posted by Dangermouse

How does cable news compare with terrestial news?

Interesting, dont really know. I dont know anyone who watches the nightly news anymore now that there are cable news channels and the internet. Suspect its mostly us older folks since the kids get news alerts on their phones now.

Originally Posted by bajisima

Interesting, dont really know. I dont know anyone who watches the nightly news anymore now that there are cable news channels and the internet. Suspect its mostly us older folks since the kids get news alerts on their phones now.

Broadcast news has far more viewers than do any of the cable news networks. According to Pew Research, local TV news is watched by 71% of the population, broadcast network news is watched by 65% of the population and cable news is watched by 38% of Americans.