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    What is fiscally conservative about a modern day Republican?
    I didn't say they were. There's been no fiscally responsible candidate from any party in recent elections. But there have been candidates from both who campaign as being fiscally responsible and that's what voters evaluate them on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    I didn't say they were. There's been no fiscally responsible candidate from any party in recent elections. But there have been candidates from both who campaign as being fiscally responsible and that's what voters evaluate them on.
    If the voters would pay more attention to what politicians do in office than what they say on the campaign trial, we wouldn't have all of these problems with Republican Party governance. I disagree with your assertion that there are no fiscally responsible Democrats. You're simply attempting to make yourself appear "even-handed" by saying that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    If the voters would pay more attention to what politicians do in office than what they say on the campaign trial, we wouldn't have all of these problems with Republican Party governance. I disagree with your assertion that there are no fiscally responsible Democrats. You're simply attempting to make yourself appear "even-handed" by saying that.
    Very true. And the busier a person's daily life gets, the less time they have to research a candidate. There's also the problem of a candidate who has yet to establish a verifiable track record. But, you're right, voters need to be more informed and the fact that they're not can't be excused by fake news or lying candidates, it's the voter's responsibility.

    You can stick your head in the sand regarding the ideological shift I brought up all you want. I don't mind the personal insult, I can take it. Shall I now respond with a completely made up take about what you're REALLY doing? Nah.

    Good discussion otherwise.
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    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    Very true. And the busier a person's daily life gets, the less time they have to research a candidate. There's also the problem of a candidate who has yet to establish a verifiable track record. But, you're right, voters need to be more informed and the fact that they're not can't be excused by fake news or lying candidates, it's the voter's responsibility.
    Absolutely. Even gerrymandering is the fault of the voters, because Republicans couldn't have accomplished their gerrymandering without being elected by...

    You guessed it! The voters.
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    @bmanmcfly In what way?
    It assumes politifact to be the referee on what is fact.

    Actually, it was well written to conceal that, by pretending to be objective for a few lines, it acts as though it's taking a balanced position.

    So, the premise of people not being able to recognize fact from fiction is flawed, better stated as people are good at confirming their own biases.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    It assumes politifact to be the referee on what is fact.

    Actually, it was well written to conceal that, by pretending to be objective for a few lines, it acts as though it's taking a balanced position.

    So, the premise of people not being able to recognize fact from fiction is flawed, better stated as people are good at confirming their own biases.
    It's not just Politifact. There is objective reality that the whole world, except Trump supporters, accepts. Besides, the article did say that most people can and do recognize the truth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    It's not just Politifact. There is objective reality that the whole world, except Trump supporters, accepts. Besides, the article did say that most people can and do recognize the truth.
    See, that's why it's a flawed premise.

    Of course you assume yourself to be correct, that's natural. What if the world was wrong, except trump supporters?

    If you are being objective, that has to be accepted as a possibility, even though, most likely it will be somewhere in between.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    See, that's why it's a flawed premise.

    Of course you assume yourself to be correct, that's natural. What if the world was wrong, except trump supporters?

    If you are being objective, that has to be accepted as a possibility, even though, most likely it will be somewhere in between.
    All I can do is shake my head.
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    What if the world was wrong, except trump supporters?
    #TrumpCult
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    All I can do is shake my head.
    Do you lack the brain power to explain why?

    Quote Originally Posted by boontito View Post
    #TrumpCult
    I'm able to acknowledge the possibility of being wrong, you apparently cannot. Which sounds more cult like?

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