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    Quote Originally Posted by aboutenough View Post
    The Rich are not going to get big tax deductions for their property taxes, so they will be paying more taxes.
    Do you seriously believe that billions of dollars in federal tax breaks for wealthy people are offset by increases in state property taxes? That makes no sense.

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    You're right about older people like myself. (God I hate having to say that. Grrrrr.) I am more patient about political change. I've seen the results of abrupt change and in most cases, it ain't pretty. I have an understanding of how politics works and I know it's mostly compromise. That's the art of politics. But young people and folks who have been struggling with finding decent jobs for a generation, they're out of patience. And I don't blame them. I'm not sure the Democrats can appeal to younger people except in the case of someone uber-charismatic like Obama. But the Democrats have got to get a message together that does fit on a bumper sticker. It's that simple.
    Hmmmmm, while most of those high school protesters aren't running for office, they are uber-charismatic. The Dems still need to tighten up the message, but they may have had the charisma part of the equation laid in their laps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    I know I'm not wrong when I say 2 + 2 = 4.
    In the Trumpiverse, "2 + 2 = 5" is an equally valid argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    In the Trumpiverse, "2 + 2 = 5" is an equally valid argument.
    That's what I've been told.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    When the discussion is about determining fiction from reality, yes, stating a fact is missing the point.
    Your comments clearly expose why people are sooo susceptible to fake news.

    They want to believe it.

    They refuse to believe another position.

    They believe they are always right regardless of how much fact may suggest otherwise.

    When a person lacks the ability to be subjective is when they are most vulnerable to propaganda.

    Most leftist, at least here on PH, still believe the MSM is journalism, when you and I both know it is almost 100% propaganda.

    There is no helping these people.

    One cannot suddenly convince another to be subjective.

    One either has that skill or they do not.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Idiocracat View Post
    That would just be another one of your conspiracy theories.
    To be clear, I don't need your answer, you should answer that for yourself. The quirky one liner is useless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Not all "possibilities" are equally true from the start.
    If you are trying to get to the core of objective fact, yes. You DO need to consider every possibility equally. Otherwise you aren't sifting through fact and fiction but only the select range of fictions you are willing to accept as fact.

    Small but important difference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    Your comments clearly expose why people are sooo susceptible to fake news.

    They want to believe it.

    They refuse to believe another position.

    They believe they are always right regardless of how much fact may suggest otherwise.

    When a person lacks the ability to be subjective is when they are most vulnerable to propaganda.

    Most leftist, at least here on PH, still believe the MSM is journalism, when you and I both know it is almost 100% propaganda.

    There is no helping these people.

    One cannot suddenly convince another to be subjective.

    One either has that skill or they do not.
    Thanks, in a way, I feel bad for the left... for the past 8 years they never needed an argument, just a race card. This made the debate muscles atrophy.

    In that time, we have been having to prove beyond any unreasonable doubt and surpass the race card just to be heard.

    They were so confident that Clinton was going to win; I still remember the deal between Obama and Hilary where they set for Clinton to step aside, get her position in the state department and he would ensure she won the next election. They were sloppy because they expected her to be able to clean everything up after the fact.

    They know the crimes committed... that's why the 2 year freak out. People WILL be going to jail and worse.

    Obama broke the promise to close down GITMO. I wonder if he appreciates the irony.

    The truth will come out, these media organizations will not be able to survive.

    Shit cnn only has the numbers it has because they pay airports and hotels to air it.

    We are in the eye of the hurricane right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bmanmcfly View Post
    Thanks, in a way, I feel bad for the left... for the past 8 years they never needed an argument, just a race card. This made the debate muscles atrophy.

    In that time, we have been having to prove beyond any unreasonable doubt and surpass the race card just to be heard.

    They were so confident that Clinton was going to win; I still remember the deal between Obama and Hilary where they set for Clinton to step aside, get her position in the state department and he would ensure she won the next election. They were sloppy because they expected her to be able to clean everything up after the fact.

    They know the crimes committed... that's why the 2 year freak out. People WILL be going to jail and worse.

    Obama broke the promise to close down GITMO. I wonder if he appreciates the irony.

    The truth will come out, these media organizations will not be able to survive.

    Shit cnn only has the numbers it has because they pay airports and hotels to air it.

    We are in the eye of the hurricane right now.
    Unfortunate for the Left ....

    The race card no longer wins elections, nor does propaganda.

    It will not stop the sheeple from parroting, but it will not win elections either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    Unfortunate for the Left ....

    The race card no longer wins elections, nor does propaganda.

    It will not stop the sheeple from parroting, but it will not win elections either.
    As much as they annoy us though, it is important to maintain some empathy.

    When the indictments start raining down, they will be losing many of the people they look up to. We need to help them to accept these things because some are still fragile that they didn't get Clinton. Some might very well lose their minds and lash out.

    They are not the enemy in spite of it all.

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