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    Quote Originally Posted by OldGaffer View Post
    You know it just 'STAYS' bizarre. 24/7 availability to news is IRRELEVANT. If there's nothing to report, there's nothing to report.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    It is all so very weird, because they are demanding more and more ideological purity, but their only governing ideology these days appears to be loyalty to the person of Donald Trump.

    Downright creepy, if you ask me.
    It does seem to be something new in American politics. Even in the Bush years, the purity test was about ideological purity, not support for an individual. For example, when Bush broke with the conservative majority to support immigration reform, in 2006, Fox News turned on him hard, and ultimately so did the conservatives in Congress. Same when Bush's father broke with the conservative majority to support a deficit-fighting tax hike -- the conservatives never forgave him for that. But with Trump, the acid test appears to be personal loyalty to Donald Trump the man, rather than any particular position. If, tomorrow, it came out that Trump had just had an affair, knocked up a woman, and then pressured her to have an abortion, I get the feeling that the evangelical Christians would just crow that the fact he'd knocked someone up at his age proves how virile he is. None of their supposed convictions is more important than their personal submission to Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Arkady View Post
    It does seem to be something new in American politics. Even in the Bush years, the purity test was about ideological purity, not support for an individual. For example, when Bush broke with the conservative majority to support immigration reform, in 2006, Fox News turned on him hard, and ultimately so did the conservatives in Congress. Same when Bush's father broke with the conservative majority to support a deficit-fighting tax hike -- the conservatives never forgave him for that. But with Trump, the acid test appears to be personal loyalty to Donald Trump the man, rather than any particular position. If, tomorrow, it came out that Trump had just had an affair, knocked up a woman, and then pressured her to have an abortion, I get the feeling that the evangelical Christians would just crow that the fact he'd knocked someone up at his age proves how virile he is. None of their supposed convictions is more important than their personal submission to Trump.
    I have to think the reason for that is Trump being a celebrity. Other presidents were politicians and were "known" to the public by that. Trump was first introduced to us by either Howard Stern, Page Six or The Apprentice. He had a built in following based on his oddball, eccentric lifestyle. Most knew the good and the bad with him and dont even think about it. We basically are holding him to a different standard. I have a feeling if we ever see another type celebrity like this win again, the same will hold true. Look no further than a favorite sports team to see and watch blind loyalty. Fans dont care if they love that team, they will forgive anything. Tom Brady could murder half a dozen people tomorrow and Patriots fans would say its a lie or swear they saw someone else do it. Its a cult of celebrity and we cant judge Trump as a normal politician because he isnt or never will be one. He still sees himself as the Page Six guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr.Knuckles View Post
    I don’t know what this website/news source is but if it’s actually called “red state” then I don’t think there should have been any mystery about their intentions.

    I don’t read “teen beat” and say “argh. Why do these articles ALL slavishly fawn over teenaged pop stars! It’s like they have no artistic integrity”.
    Well, back in the good old days, red state just meant a place for conservatives... Being conservative shouldn't have a prerequisite of supporting Trump. If Trump performs like a conservative, he should get their praise... and when he does not, he should get their scorn... but that's not how it is now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Well, back in the good old days, red state just meant a place for conservatives... Being conservative shouldn't have a prerequisite of supporting Trump. If Trump performs like a conservative, he should get their praise... and when he does not, he should get their scorn... but that's not how it is now.
    Technically, back in the good old days red state meant Democrats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bajisima View Post
    I have to think the reason for that is Trump being a celebrity. Other presidents were politicians and were "known" to the public by that. Trump was first introduced to us by either Howard Stern, Page Six or The Apprentice. He had a built in following based on his oddball, eccentric lifestyle. Most knew the good and the bad with him and dont even think about it. We basically are holding him to a different standard. I have a feeling if we ever see another type celebrity like this win again, the same will hold true. Look no further than a favorite sports team to see and watch blind loyalty. Fans dont care if they love that team, they will forgive anything. Tom Brady could murder half a dozen people tomorrow and Patriots fans would say its a lie or swear they saw someone else do it. Its a cult of celebrity and we cant judge Trump as a normal politician because he isnt or never will be one. He still sees himself as the Page Six guy.
    Just out of curiosity, do Patriots fans (still) think Aaron Hernandez was innocent?!?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Just out of curiosity, do Patriots fans (still) think Aaron Hernandez was innocent?!?
    Actually many do. They felt he was a victim. He was a poor kid, who led a gang life before the Patriots drafted him. Have actually met people who think he shouldnt have been in "a terrible prison like that" as he was above that. We hear over and over how somebody should have helped him more. He actually died an innocent man because lawyers and fans pushed for an outdated law that declared him innocent.

    https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/t...n-courts-eyes/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wonderer View Post
    FWIW, several good people -- and dear friends of mine -- lost their jobs yesterday. They are people who wrote things you'd likely agree with for the most part -- particularly regarding Trump.
    Sorry to hear that!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    It is all so very weird, because they are demanding more and more ideological purity, but their only governing ideology these days appears to be loyalty to the person of Donald Trump.

    Downright creepy, if you ask me.
    What happens in two years if he doesn't get reelected or decides not to run?

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