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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Talking about the same time crap they talk about on all the opinion shows. There are exceptions. Every news channel does SOME hard news. And then they make it Olds in a day or so once they've milked the life out of it.
    You show you know little. Fox shows both sides you will not see that on CNN or MSNBC

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Don't be silly. They're not real.

    You show your ignorance

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    You think the other channels never have conservatives on? Have you ever watched those channels? It doesn't sound like you have.

    Do you know what showed you both sides of an issue? The Fairness Doctrine. Growing up, I always heard both sides. it was required by law. Now, people like you live in an echo chamber and really have no idea what liberals say or want. You only know what Fox News and talk radio tells you liberals say or want. You never actually listen to and try to understand liberals.
    The liberals like on fox talk over the conservatives and berate them

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    Quote Originally Posted by steezer View Post
    With that premise in mind, I’m going to assume that you believe Mueller is being smeared right fucking now by the Trump Cultist in Congress and Fox News?
    I think that Fox, MSNBC and CNN make a living doing things that fall between outright smears and -preaching to the choir wink nod- reports that are implied smears.

    I'm not done with the book yet, but the documentation for Media Matters and dozens of other progressive advocacy and PR groups doing coordinated character assassination campaigns is very strong.

    I have to figure out a way of sharing the research without violating copyright laws, but the list of organizations (that Brock coordinates) is very long and includes dozens of entities.

    Such coordination is not illegal, but it is bending the news business to serve a point of view and an understood mandate.

    And that is the entire point of this thread, for us to recognize the methods and the players and decide what we each think should be done.

    As I have said before, I would like all news organizations to voluntarily swear off the smear and support the NPR ethics handbook.

    Here's one link on the topic. And as Ms Atkkisson points out, it's not the accusations are not true, it's that the campaigns are one sided. When someone media matters likes does the same thing, there are no campaigns.

    In the section on Imus, Atkkisson plays the substitution game and lists a whole page of racially insensitive comments for which there was no campaign to punish the offender.

    Media Matters is totally partisan and through threats and smears trying to dominate the news.

    What do Glenn Beck, Bill OReilly and Laura Ingraham have in common? Like anyone who works at Fox, they are targets of Media Matters Smears.

    https://www.salon.com/2017/04/21/how...-biggest-star/

    Color of Change, the women's rights group UltraViolet, the National Organization for Women, the media watchdog Media Matters and a loose coalition of advertising insiders who call themselves the Sleeping Giants mobilized thousands of people to sign petitions and contact O'Reilly's advertisers to urge them to remove their sponsorships. As was the case for the earlier effort against Beck, the pressure soon began to pay off.
    Atkkisson also claims that her sources tell here that Media Matters has disciplined reluctant liberals into cooperating with their campaigns by also smearing them.

    If this is true, we are witnessing something extremely coercive and certainly dangerous to the fabric of society. If a partisan entity can quash investigative reporting , strong arm legitimate news outlets into following its lead and force normally neutral writers into writing what it wants them to write, what is left of the independent press?
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    After a detailed report on the efforts of Media Matters, the author reports on the swiftboating smear against Kerry. As with most smears, there was some truth in the accusations, but this was an orchestrated smear. As I have been suspecting, if a smear campaign works, both sides of the aisle will employ such campaigns. This is not a partisan issue. In preparing for the writing of the book Atkkisson interviewed dozens of smear artists and found many who work for hire, with no allegiance to any political viewpoint.

    The Sleuth - John Kerry's Vietnam Crew Mates Still Fighting Swift Boating

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    Just finished the chapter on transactional journalism. The really shocking part of this is the many documented examples of news folks who take their orders from politicians and their operatives.

    Perhaps you noticed the Wikileaks from a number of years ago. Atkkisson followed up with interviews and research to pin down more details and get more confessions from news for hire outlets.

    Some names and organizations you can follow up on with your own googles: American Bridge, Priorities USA, Correct the Record; Phillipe Reines (Clinton Aide), Marc Ambinder (targeted journalist; Atlantic), Dana Hughes (targeted journalist; ABC).

    Perhaps most relevant to the current issue of the deep state are examples of intelligence agencies colluding with press elements. Ken Dilanian (AP reporter) sent copies of a story he was writing to the CIA press office to get suggested edits. Link attached. La times.

    Ex-Tribune reporter said to have 'collaborative' relationship with CIA

    Atkkison found one example of a reporter pushing back hard against this kind of collusion, the late Michael Hastings of Rolling Stone and Buzzfeed.

    The pulitzer prize winning Journalist, Jeff Gerth is an expert on this trend. 30 years as an investigative reporter for the New York Times would seem to make him qualified to know.

    In Atkkison's interviews with Gerth, he describes the trend of politicians contracting with news outlets and reporters who will "play ball" to write counter articles to emerging news stories. So if something that actually happened is threatening your politics, you can hire someone to provide opposite spin to cover your traces.

    https://sharylattkisson.com/trending/jeff-gerth/
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    "The Smearing" used to be a thing in Italy. Back in the 1960's when it first came on sale, any child could walk into a store with a piece of bread, and have it smeared with Nutella, free!

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    Question to all Russia Conspiracy theorists.

    Do you think the extensive smear operations against Sanders by the DNC and possibly the Hillary campaign (documented in this book) had a larger effect on the general election than the Russian meddling?

    Hillary's campaign spent a quarter of a million working with "Correct the Record." Did they go after Bernie?


    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...trolls/484847/

    At least some Sanders supporters say that just knowing the effort exists makes it harder to have civil conversation online. “I think the most dangerous part was that after it was announced so many of our users started being very cynical and suspicious of people,” David Fredrick, a co-founder and moderator of Sanders for President, a pro-Sanders group on Reddit with nearly a quarter of a million subscribers. “If anyone criticizes a Sanders supporter online now there’s doubt over whether it’s a genuine exchange or if it’s something that Correct the Record is behind.” Fredrick added while “there’s no evidence that anyone from Correct the Record” has tried to infiltrate his Reddit group, he believes the effort will only serve to tear people apart. “They might say it’s positive messaging, but it’s really set people on edge, and that’s divisive.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    You show your ignorance
    No, I show yours when you respond.,
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    For those who might be reading this and starting to think that Atkkisson is only reporting let wing smear artists, here are some additional names from the right doing the same kind of work....

    Rick "Dr. Evil" Berman, Enterprise Freedom Action Committee 501, which legally, cannot be forced to reveal its donors.

    Liz Mair, who organized an Anti-Trump group called "Make America Awesome."

    Even the United Kingdom got involved in blocking Trump from entering the country and was advised by a David Cameron campaign adviser, Jim Messina, who headed the Hillary Super Pac Priorities USA.

    So lots of plotting and messaging crafting and orchestrating behind the scenes.

    The left and the right and the Russians were all doing the same stuff.

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