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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    No, I show yours when you respond.,
    Your lies prove nothing

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    Quote Originally Posted by ptif219 View Post
    Your lies prove nothing
    Yours do. Again and again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dangermouse View Post
    Yours do. Again and again.
    I state facts the liberals lie

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    In the chapter on the disloyal opposition, Atkkison documents multiple examples of audience stacking.

    Like many other techniques used by the hidden, privately funded, fake news, smear based, unreality fired alternate realities, astroturf slinging bullshit artists that are out there, both parties were doing it in 2016.

    Republican Example: South Carolina Debate. Note that Trump won the primary election in South Carolina debate by double digits and took home all the delegates. Trump makes a point and gets soundly booed by the audience. "Trump gets booed" gets printed by multiple MSM outlets. When confronted, the RNC admits that it allocated the audience tickets. Trump supporters couldn't get them. Rence Priebus claims that the 600 tickets were distributed evenly among the 6 candidates at the debate. Atkkisson digs and finds that there were 2,000 seats in the auditorium and also finds these seats were distributed to mostly anti-trump forces. The debate was The Truman Show.

    Democrat example: It's the DNC convention and the DNC is afraid Bernie supporters will disrupt Hillary Clinton's nomination speech, so it hires hundreds of actors at $50 a piece to drown out the Bernie supporters. More of The Truman Show.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    I agree that journalists and politicians are too close. They tend to live in the same neighborhoods, their kids attend the same schools, they go to the same parties, etc. But I don't think it causes them to have a political bias.
    It's a lot worse then political bias. It's folks in the news business who are told what to write and when to write it and they comply in order to gain access. No bias required. You give me the story and I write it. The examples are documented and names are named.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    The biggest problem, IMO is that the electorate has allowed political figures to screen which reporters have access. I keep going back to the way the UK reporters treat their politicians. There it is no holds barred and direct, hard questions are par for the course. If a reporter here tries that here, they are banned. In the UK, any politician that tried that would be ridiculed by all.

    I should add, at least that's how it was. I'm not sure if this aspect of US culture has creeped into the UK also. Perhaps some of our UK members could comment as to whether that still pertains.
    According to Atkkisson's notes Cameron and a Clinton aide (Jim Messina, who headed the Hillary Super Pac Priorities USA) collaborated on the Trump visiting ban in the UK.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    You think the other channels never have conservatives on? Have you ever watched those channels? It doesn't sound like you have.

    Do you know what showed you both sides of an issue? The Fairness Doctrine. Growing up, I always heard both sides. it was required by law. Now, people like you live in an echo chamber and really have no idea what liberals say or want. You only know what Fox News and talk radio tells you liberals say or want. You never actually listen to and try to understand liberals.
    How would you apply the fairness doctrine to shows that blend opinion and news?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kmiller1610 View Post
    Question to all Russia Conspiracy theorists.

    Do you think the extensive smear operations against Sanders by the DNC and possibly the Hillary campaign (documented in this book) had a larger effect on the general election than the Russian meddling?

    Hillary's campaign spent a quarter of a million working with "Correct the Record." Did they go after Bernie?


    https://www.theatlantic.com/politics...trolls/484847/
    There was no smear campaign by the DNC nor the Hillary campaign. This shows your book isn't worth the paper it is printed on. Probably why it makes sense to you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pragmatist View Post
    There was no smear campaign by the DNC nor the Hillary campaign. This shows your book isn't worth the paper it is printed on. Probably why it makes sense to you

    So google some of the names and organizations I have mentioned from the book. I always trust people who go at both sides in a non-partisan manner.

    Among my go-to sources and thinkers, historians and journalists

    NPR

    Michael Crichton

    SI Hayakawa

    Sharyl Atkkisson

    Noah Feldman

    Ian Kershaw

    All have devoted significant time in their lives pursuing truth.

    For example, I love historical documentaries that pursue a single question. This current fav asks a central question about WW2.

    How did Hitler get the German people to support his actions?

    The answer is pursued through journalism at the grass roots. Talking to people and asking questions. Same exact way Atkkisson sourced this book.

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    For anyone who wants to explore a single example of transactional journalism, here's one example covered by multiple sources. Other examples are included to make each author's points. The wikileaks intercepted emails are included.

    https://www.politico.com/magazine/st...s-press-214367

    http://thehill.com/blogs/pundits-blo...podesta-emails

    https://wikileaks.org/podesta-emails/emailid/12063

    Is this the stuff of "conspiracy theory?"

    Or do we have a very serious problem here?

    Trust in media is at an all-time low.
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