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    Is This Shooting Justified?



    A teen gunman in Detroit blasted a cop's face through a door — believing the two officers outside his home were burglars after reporting a Sunday night break-in attempt, police said.

    The 19-year-old opened fired on two officers with a shotgun “fearing for the safety” of his mother and brother, Detroit police Chief James Craig said at a media briefing on Monday.

    He had already called police three times believing his family’s home along Lesure Road in west Detroit was being targeted by several break-in attempts on Sunday.

    The gunfire critically wounded the cop on the porch around 11:45 p.m. while shrapnel struck another officer in the arm, Craig said.

    Both officers were rushed to Sinai Grace Hospital. The shot cop — a two-year veteran of the force — remains in critical condition while the other is expected to be OK. The second officer has been with Detroit Police Department for at least 18 months.

    Craig said the gunman, his mother and 14-year-old brother were taken into custody after the shooting.

    The woman's oldest son may have not known the officer was at the door, Craig added.
    Teen shoots two Detroit cops through door - NY Daily News

    Obviously, this young man did not know the people at his door were police, although it seems as if he should have been aware they could be, after he had called 911. But in any event, I am sure he only shot because he was terrified.

    Does that excuse his mistake? Aren't the police trained to announce themselves in these situations?

    If the people shot had been burglars, would his force have been justified? Can you ever be excused for firing through an exterior door to people outside you think are trying to break in?

    Terribly, terribly sad case, for the severely injured cop most of all.

    Your thoughts?

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    Kind of depends on the circumstance.

    If the cops think there are active thieves in there they may not announce their presence or they may have shown up and knocked on the door and said police.

    Being that they were at the door instead of circling the house odds are the police were acting correctly and the kid is at fault.

    Either way the kid should have waited for the entry before firing.

    Hell, a shot into the ceiling would have scared a burglar away.
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    Without being there its tough to say, but shooting through the door is highly negligent. The shooter will probably get in trouble..
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    Seems like there's more to the story here...
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    doesn't matter. Let's just be real here. The teen is going down regardless. The system is rigged to prosecute cop killers. Period. Unless , there is clear and convincing evidence that the teen thought his life was in danger....end of story.

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    The teen gunman fired through the door. They will have to believe that he did not know they were the police AND that he was in danger. Does Michigan have a stand your ground law? Could he have fled into the house? It could have been anyone outside the door, a broken down motorist, a lost child, Jehovah's Witnesses, a newspaper boy collecting. The teen did not call 9-1-1 prior to the shooting. The mother called 9-1-1 about the house across the street and burglars, then went to bed. The son did not know that she called. He called 9-1-1 after he fired the shot.

    The 19-year-old is under arrest at this time. If you remember the shooting of Renisha McBride. She knocked on a homeowner's door and was shot through the door. That homeowner is serving 17 years for that shooting. What does that case have to do with this case? Same jurisdiction, very similar circumstances. Big thing that they both have in common? They shot through the door.
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    doesn't matter. Let's just be real here. The teen is going down regardless. The system is rigged to prosecute cop killers. Period. Unless , there is clear and convincing evidence that the teen thought his life was in danger....end of story.
    Juries tend to buy the cops version of events. But, if the cops did not announce themselves and we're talking teen here, it's easy to understand that he probably reacted out of fear. Mens rea (a fancy Latin word for guilty mind or "intent") needs to be proven if the prosecutors decide to prosecute the teen. The sad part is, most Americans do not understand the concept that, even if you break the law, if you did not have the intent to do so, no actual crime was committed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    doesn't matter. Let's just be real here. The teen is going down regardless. The system is rigged to prosecute cop killers. Period. Unless , there is clear and convincing evidence that the teen thought his life was in danger....end of story.
    What some call a "rigged" system others consider having the backs of those that are willing to put their lives on the line, daily...and their careers...again, daily. These type of comments, about the system being rigged, always makes me wonder...how many mistakes at work do YOU make? If you make one, is it life threatening? Be that someone else' or your own? If the two police did not announce or if when they did it was not heard - head phones - traffic - other white noise...should they have to pay that steep a price without people being held to account?

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    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    What some call a "rigged" system others consider having the backs of those that are willing to put their lives on the line, daily...and their careers...again, daily. These type of comments, about the system being rigged, always makes me wonder...how many mistakes at work do YOU make? If you make one, is it life threatening? Be that someone else' or your own? If the two police did not announce or if when they did it was not heard - head phones - traffic - other white noise...should they have to pay that steep a price without people being held to account?
    Do you think you said something here? Maybe I'm stupid, but I dont get what your point is..
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    Quote Originally Posted by the watchman View Post
    doesn't matter. Let's just be real here. The teen is going down regardless. The system is rigged to prosecute cop killers. Period. Unless , there is clear and convincing evidence that the teen thought his life was in danger....end of story.
    I hope not. If this kid really thought he was shooting burglars, at the very least he shouldn't be guilty of murder.

    Manslaughter, maybe.

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