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    Quote Originally Posted by Coyote View Post
    It's Humboldt, of course everyone is white and completely oblivious to the struggles of PoC, completely convinced that their shit doesn't stink. I lived there for 15 years. I'm not in the least surprised.
    Well, at least one firefighter cares. He says he wanrs the pin so people would know he was just there to help.

    I wonder if he had a hard time getting some little kid to cooperate during a rescue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    Why would you make this topic about you?

    I am discussing Black Lies Matter.

    Not anything about you personally.
    It is personal. I am committed to my Cleveland BLM, and extremely proud of them. Nobody protests with greater discipline or care than us, and nobody has more reason to burn down city hall than us.

    It's horribly unfair, these accusations you make. I think.you know that, but I can't figure out why you persist in writing lies about us online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    It is personal. I am committed to my Cleveland BLM, and extremely proud of them. Nobody protests with greater discipline or care than us, and nobody has more reason to burn down city hall than us.

    It's horribly unfair, these accusations you make. I think.you know that, but I can't figure out why you persist in writing lies about us online.
    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    And, the politics of Black Lies Matter is that of racism and violence against the innocent.
    I rest my case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post


    Everyone in this story is white, BTW.



    https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/ju...ter-lapel-pin/

    The full article is interesting; I recommend reading it.

    So....this would be a simple, open and shut case if the City had a policy that their employees cannot wear messages about any political or social cause while on the job, although the first amendment might not bless such a rule.

    However, the Fire Chief wears a "Police Lives Matter" bracelet.

    Seems to me, despite denials, this is a restriction on speech that is based on the content of that speech -- virtually never permitted under our constitution.

    Your thoughts?
    What if it was a "White Lives matter" pin?


    My father was a fireman.. to him ALL LIVES MATTERED.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    What if it was a "White Lives matter" pin?


    My father was a fireman.. to him ALL LIVES MATTERED.
    You know that slogan upsets POC. Why do you ask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by John T Ford View Post
    I rest my case.
    So what? Why is it bad that we endure so much criminal behavior from cops, but we follow the law when we protest?

    Which child in your family would you see murdered, and not seek justice?

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    While on the job, wearing the uniform, to a firefighter being paid with tax dollars, all lives should matter. Off duty, on his own time, the firefighter has the right to wear whatever he may want expressing any opinion he may have. But on the job, no preferences regarding life should be shown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheWahoo View Post
    While on the job, wearing the uniform, to a firefighter being paid with tax dollars, all lives should matter. Off duty, on his own time, the firefighter has the right to wear whatever he may want expressing any opinion he may have. But on the job, no preferences regarding life should be shown.
    Obviously!

    But if he can't wear his pin, his chief shouldn't get to wear his bracelet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Black Lives Matter is an organization; not an individual. They have an easily-found official website. Do they advocate killing, or even harming law enforcement officers? You can't cherry-pick individual voices and claim they speak for the entire movement. Perhaps key members; but that's not "everyone carrying a protest sign."
    It's not heirarchal, though. Cleveland does not report to any national office. Each BLM, in each city, is it's own, separate organization.
    Last edited by Madeline; 8th June 2017 at 02:40 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Sounds like a fair question, IF you can source anywhere that police on their website or on their patrol cars, whatever advocate doing harm to black lives. Or is it individuals and not the organization itself?
    Police departments (many, not all) go to disturbing lengths to cover up abuses of their authority. If you want me to name police chiefs who have been culpable in such things, say so and I'll provide them.

    In these cases, it's not the individuals, since the department leaders are complicit in the cover-ups.
    Last edited by Djinn; 9th June 2017 at 12:00 PM.
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