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    Can you source that to the key members of BLM, or their website? Or are you ascribing the actions of individuals to the organization itself?
    Cleveland BLM only has a Twitter account and a Facebook page, as far as I know. I have no idea who runs BLM.com, or whether the kids here are 100% in agreement with them.

    Probably not 100%.

    They share intellectual property and travel to other cities for their events.

    These kids are shining stars to me. Ghandi would have been proud of them. They couldn't possibly be more nonviolent. They even get parade permits for marches!

    WTF else do you need them to do? Just STFU about our corrupt, thuggish police department? They murdered more people before Tamir, and after. They will kill another child, if nothing changes.

    This is fucking America. Children have the right to play in the park across the street from their home without being assassinated by racists in blue.

    You have to stop calling BLM the terrorists, unless the mere existence of black Americans terrifies you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    This is fucking America. Children have the right to play in the park across the street from their home....
    Indeed. What happened to kids playing cops & robbers (or even war) with toy guns?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    Police departments (many, not all) go to disturbing lengths to cover up abuses of their authority. If you want me to name police chiefs who have been culpable in such things, say so and I'll provide them.

    In these cases, it's not the individuals, since the department leaders are complicit in the cover-ups.
    So you want to paint every police chief and every police officer as abusive and involved in coverups because you can name a few? That's like painting all Catholic priests as pedophiles because of the actions of a few. The fact remains that a very, very small percentage of police chiefs have ever been involved in anything like that, while a huge percentage have not. I stand by my statement that BLM is a hate group and a terrorist organization. Their protests are nothing but cover for those that want to loot, burn, assault, and kill police officers. They should be treated just like the Ku Klux Klan, they are no better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    The fact remains that a very, very small percentage of police chiefs have ever been involved in anything like that, while a huge percentage have not.
    More accurately, a very, very small percentage of police chiefs have ever been caught being involved in anything like that. Obviously, we cannot know if any are involved who have not been.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    More accurately, a very, very small percentage of police chiefs have ever been caught being involved in anything like that. Obviously, we cannot know if any are involved who have not been.
    I see. So do you also say that all blacks must be drug dealers and only a few have been caught? All priests are pedophiles and only a few are caught? Prejudiced much?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    So do you also say that all blacks must be drug dealers and only a few have been caught? All priests are pedophiles and only a few are caught?
    Not even close to anything I said. Since those who have been involved are by definition conspiring to cover up wrongdoing (indeed, in order to commit it in the first place), we cannot know whether there is a larger percentage involved, especially given a public predilection for believing the police and disbelieving the accused criminal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    So you want to paint every police chief and every police officer as abusive and involved in coverups because you can name a few? That's like painting all Catholic priests as pedophiles because of the actions of a few. The fact remains that a very, very small percentage of police chiefs have ever been involved in anything like that, while a huge percentage have not. I stand by my statement that BLM is a hate group and a terrorist organization. Their protests are nothing but cover for those that want to loot, burn, assault, and kill police officers. They should be treated just like the Ku Klux Klan, they are no better.
    Paint them all? Of course not. In my past post, I explicitly said "not all", complete with the underscore. To paint all police offers with the same brush would be wrong.

    Black Lives Matter highlights the fact that when white people are killed (by police or otherwise), the killers are pursued aggressively. But when black people are killed, the investigations are dropped much more readily. White people's deaths are more likely to hold the attention of investigators, when black lives matter as well.

    The name "black lives matter" doesn't suggest that white people's lives don't matter. It's just highlighting that the lost of black peoples' lives wind up among the cold cases much more quickly. And police officers? Not even close. If a police officer gets killed, no expense is spared in bringing the killer to justice. Under existing procedures, it's obvious that "blue lives" matter very much - and I don't challenge this. They put themselves in the line of fire, and attacks against them SHOULD be pursed aggressively.

    But dismissing the deaths of black people on account of their race or social status is just wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    So what? Why is it bad that we endure so much criminal behavior from cops, but we follow the law when we protest?

    Which child in your family would you see murdered, and not seek justice?
    Now lets say the person wearing the BLM badge is in a Fire, There are 2 people and 1 is Black the other is Asian. He saves the Black person and leaves the Asian and they die,

    The Asian family then has a Case for Discrimination, (even though the Fireman's motives were pure.

    They an also sue the department.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    BLM is a terrorist organization and hate group. They need to be treated as such. Their protests are simply fronts for those that want to loot, riot, burn, and assault people.
    The U.S. Government decides what groups are terrorist groups.
    YOU'RE just a guy yapping personal opinions on the internet. *shrug*
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Now lets say the person wearing the BLM badge is in a Fire, There are 2 people and 1 is Black the other is Asian. He saves the Black person and leaves the Asian and they die,

    The Asian family then has a Case for Discrimination, (even though the Fireman's motives were pure.

    They an also sue the department.
    Firemen don't see color, or gender. Possibly age....they will risk more to save a child.

    I don't know of even one case in US history where a fireman abandoned a victim because of racism.

    Not. One.

    Link up these lawsuits you feel confident must exist. I say there are none.

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