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    City Firefighter Loses Appeal To Keep His BLM Lapel Pin



    Everyone in this story is white, BTW.

    Today’s grievance hearing before the Humboldt Bay Fire Joint Powers Authority Board of Directors lasted for nearly five hours and featured weighty public commentary, numerous witnesses and opposing attorneys arguing over such elusive concepts as the definition of the word “political” and the true nature of the Black Lives Matter movement. And yet it took the board barely an hour to reach a unanimous ruling upholding Fire Chief Bill Gillespie’s order, back in March, telling one of his firemen to remove a Black Lives Matter lapel pin from his uniform.

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    Edwards, on the other hand, said there had been zero evidence presented showing that anyone besides Mills actually objected to the pin, and he said California’s laws regarding political expression by public employees only prohibit supporting candidates or initiatives and have nothing to do with social movements. The law “isn’t about stopping what’s controversial,” he said, and he argued that Gillespie’s order to remove the pin was “rife with viewpoint discrimination.”

    In its ruling, sent out shortly after 4 p.m., the Humboldt Bay Fire Joint Powers Authority Board of Directors said Black Lives Matter is indeed a political in nature and thus “Chief Gillespie’s order that Mr. McFarland not wear the ‘Black Lives Matter’ pin while on duty and in uniform was not a violation of the ‘Uniform Requirements’ policy.”

    The board also noted that its decision was “based on policy, not on its agreement or disagreement with the Black Lives Matter movement.”
    https://lostcoastoutpost.com/2017/ju...ter-lapel-pin/

    The full article is interesting; I recommend reading it.

    So....this would be a simple, open and shut case if the City had a policy that their employees cannot wear messages about any political or social cause while on the job, although the first amendment might not bless such a rule.

    However, the Fire Chief wears a "Police Lives Matter" bracelet.

    Seems to me, despite denials, this is a restriction on speech that is based on the content of that speech -- virtually never permitted under our constitution.

    Your thoughts?

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    Pins from any hate group or terrorist group should not be allowed. Good decision to make him remove the pin.
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    BLM is a terrorist organization and hate group. They need to be treated as such. Their protests are simply fronts for those that want to loot, riot, burn, and assault people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Pins from any hate group or terrorist group should not be allowed. Good decision to make him remove the pin.
    The fact that you do not like us does not make us a "hate" group. Whatever that is.

    We are most certainly not a "terrorist" group.

    Your unwavering support of murderers of children who are Cleveland police officers is a hateful position, and the millions like you certainly terrify me.

    Cleveland Area Cop Viciously Beats Child Inside Library
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    BLM is a terrorist organization and hate group. They need to be treated as such. Their protests are simply fronts for those that want to loot, riot, burn, and assault people.
    You realize you are accusing me of conspiracy to commit these crimes? That doing so, without proof, is libel?

    I am reporting this post SD. You don't learn to control yourself, and this continues, I may consider seeing if you enjoy spending time in court, watching all you own go away.

    I hate Hillary Clinton, but I do not say she is a child killer.

    Get a grip, Daddio.
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    *Sigh*

    This thread could have been a little bit of fun for everyone, as the free speech rights of public employees at work are a area of developing laws.

    I hope it isn't spoiled by SD's baseless accusations.

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    Here we go again ......

    Black Lies Matter is a racist violent hate group. A domestic terrorist group that needs to be outlawed.

    I think the firefighter should be fired for supporting these racist terrorist.

    And, Madeline ..... you can try to make the normal thinking folks disgust for this racist hate group all about you, but it isn't going to work.

    We love you Madeline .... and we are also disgusted with violent racist hate groups like Black Lies Matter.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The fact that you do not like us does not make us a "hate" group. Whatever that is.

    We are most certainly not a "terrorist" group.

    Your unwavering support of murderers of children who are Cleveland police officers is a hateful position, and the millions like you certainly terrify
    What makes BLM a hate group and terrorist organization are their actions. They are scum. They attempt to use terror to try and call for action against law enforcement. They are not peaceful protesters. They are ruffians, thugs, looters, arsonists... criminals. They are also cowards. "Pigs in a blanket, fry them up like bacon". Then there was Dallas.

    Those officers in the Tamir Rice shooting were not convicted. The Rice shooting was caused by a kid playing with a very reastic toy gun. You know it and we know it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    You realize you are accusing me of conspiracy to commit these crimes? That doing so, without proof, is libel?

    I am reporting this post SD. You don't learn to control yourself, and this continues, I may consider seeing if you enjoy spending time in court, watching all you own go away.

    I hate Hillary Clinton, but I do not say she is a child killer.

    Get a grip, Daddio.
    I didn't stutter, I said it clearly. I believe that BLM is a terrorist organization and a hate group. It is nothing but a front for those that want to commit arson, looting, assault, and harm police. I'm not retracting it. If you think you have a case for libel, file it. BLM called for the death of police. Police were killed in Dallas at a BLM protest. We've seen BLM's tactics. They want people to fear them. Look at Missouri and Maryland. Scumbags, all of them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The fact that you do not like us does not make us a "hate" group. Whatever that is.

    We are most certainly not a "terrorist" group.

    Your unwavering support of murderers of children who are Cleveland police officers is a hateful position, and the millions like you certainly terrify me.

    Cleveland Area Cop Viciously Beats Child Inside Library
    It has nothing to do with like or dislike.

    BLM are defined by their actions and they most certainly are a terror and hate group.

    Hell even Obama had to distance himself from them.
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