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    She was not doing it to help him. She was doing it to gain sympathy and social favor. That's fucked up.
    agreed... that is fucked up. And wrong. Did she murder him.... no.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    agreed... that is fucked up. And wrong. Did she murder him.... no.
    Civilly, perhaps.

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    Thank you! She has some form of that. All the attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    how i feel about this is complicated. If someone wants to commit suicide.... let them. Its their life. Why is it wrong to encourage them. Arent we supposed to encourage people in what they want to do? IE.... if that is what you want to do then do it.

    There are far to many people out there whining they are going to commit suicide....for attention... and have no intention of even trying to commit suicide. The web is full of people like this.
    But let's say I told you I wanted to and you said ok Sassy, I understand, and it's your choice. That is one thing. But then I am about to cut my wrists and I say 'I don't want to do this after all' it would be fucked up for you to devote yourself to telling me how much I DO want to and SHOULD and then give me instructions on HOW to do it right ..........

    ETA: And then do a fucking fundraiser about me and say oh hey look at me, I'm famous and shit! ugh.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sassy View Post
    But let's say I told you I wanted to and you said ok Sassy, I understand, and it's your choice. That is one thing. But then I am about to cut my wrists and I say 'I don't want to do this after all' it would be fucked up for you to devote yourself to telling me how much I DO want to and SHOULD and then give me instructions on HOW to do it right ..........

    ETA: And then do a fucking fundraiser about me and say oh hey look at me, I'm famous and shit! ugh.

    ever had someone like this in your life?

    flat out they are emotional blackmailers and manipulators. They are dementors working on their PhD's in dementing. They are life sucking vampires and toxic humans.

    The chronic suicider thrives on the fire drills....all hands on deck, pulling everyone in making everyone jump to the no dont kill yourself, drop everything and pay attention to me me me me me...they want the guilty morality driven do the right thing good person run in and save you all the fucking time bullshit. You are required by them to respond to every single.. omgomgomg... support me, do what i want, do what i say oh oh oh if you dont ill just kill myself. Make me want to live, give me a reason. You cant do this or that its not about me me me and ill just have to kill my self. You love me right, tell me you love me, you cant love anyone else. Fawn over me, stroke me, tell me as many lies as it takes to make me feel better. Boohoo my parents dont love me, i dont love my parents...you dont love me. Im gonna kill myself and you better talk me back off the edge or ill kill myself. Fire drill today.. fire drill next week... fire drill next month.. fire drill in the middle of the night and you all best show up or ill kill myself.

    what the fuck ever. Been there done that bullshit.... and yes i too wanted to say shut the fuck up, im sick of your shit just get on with it and kill yourself if that is what you want to do. Remember this was a teenager and not a medical professional trained to deal with suicide and its fake attention whores.. If suicide boy needed help he should have whined to a professional. As it is he whined to his girlfriend who was sick of his shit.

    i am not saying what she did for the reasons she did it were right. I am saying its not "murder" as per the op title. She had no psychical active role in the event and the boy had all of the controls. That being said she has some fucked up in the head attention issues of her own.


    The flip side of that is if someone who is very sick and wants to end the pain for what ever reason and they ASK me. Yes, i would help them achieve that end and HOW to do it right.

    as i said.... its complicated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    how i feel about this is complicated. If someone wants to commit suicide.... let them. Its their life. Why is it wrong to encourage them. Arent we supposed to encourage people in what they want to do? IE.... if that is what you want to do then do it.

    There are far to many people out there whining they are going to commit suicide....for attention... and have no intention of even trying to commit suicide. The web is full of people like this.
    Well, yes and no. I could find a suicidal young man, early 20's, in one afternoon online. So could anyone here. These vulnerable people are being HUNTED by modern day sadists such as we did not suspect even existed, before the internet.

    If their excreable conduct is not a crime, what protects the vulnerable? Can we AT LEAST agree to protect vulnerable children with criminal penalties?

    Suicide rates have soared, since the internet became a household utility.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/h...l?mcubz=0&_r=0

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3477910/

    http://www.npr.org/sections/health-s...olescent-girls
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Well, yes and no. I could find a suicidal young man, early 20's, in one afternoon online. So could anyone here. These vulnerable people are being HUNTED by modern day sadists such as we did not suspect even existed, before the internet.

    If their excreable conduct is not a crime, what protects the vulnerable? Can we AT LEAST agree to protect vulnerable children with criminal penalties?

    Suicide rates have soared, since the internet became a household utility.

    https://www.nytimes.com/2016/04/22/h...l?mcubz=0&_r=0

    https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3477910/

    Suicide Rates Climb In U.S., Especially Among Adolescent Girls : Shots - Health News : NPR
    and who gives these "vulnerable children" access? The parents.

    the all have smart phones
    they all have computers
    they all have social media accounts
    ect ect ect


    you want to go after someone for blame.... blame the parents

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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    and who gives these "vulnerable children" access? The parents.

    the all have smart phones
    they all have computers
    they all have social media accounts
    ect ect ect


    you want to go after someone for blame.... blame the parents
    How does that make children safer? Do you think we can legally, practically force everyone to stay off the internet until they are 18 years old?

    Because I don't. I don't even think children would be safer, if somehow we did prevent them from going online until they are 18.

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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    ever had someone like this in your life?

    flat out they are emotional blackmailers and manipulators. They are dementors working on their PhD's in dementing. They are life sucking vampires and toxic humans.

    The chronic suicider thrives on the fire drills....all hands on deck, pulling everyone in making everyone jump to the no dont kill yourself, drop everything and pay attention to me me me me me...they want the guilty morality driven do the right thing good person run in and save you all the fucking time bullshit. You are required by them to respond to every single.. omgomgomg... support me, do what i want, do what i say oh oh oh if you dont ill just kill myself. Make me want to live, give me a reason. You cant do this or that its not about me me me and ill just have to kill my self. You love me right, tell me you love me, you cant love anyone else. Fawn over me, stroke me, tell me as many lies as it takes to make me feel better. Boohoo my parents dont love me, i dont love my parents...you dont love me. Im gonna kill myself and you better talk me back off the edge or ill kill myself. Fire drill today.. fire drill next week... fire drill next month.. fire drill in the middle of the night and you all best show up or ill kill myself.

    what the fuck ever. Been there done that bullshit.... and yes i too wanted to say shut the fuck up, im sick of your shit just get on with it and kill yourself if that is what you want to do. Remember this was a teenager and not a medical professional trained to deal with suicide and its fake attention whores.. If suicide boy needed help he should have whined to a professional. As it is he whined to his girlfriend who was sick of his shit.

    i am not saying what she did for the reasons she did it were right. I am saying its not "murder" as per the op title. She had no psychical active role in the event and the boy had all of the controls. That being said she has some fucked up in the head attention issues of her own.


    The flip side of that is if someone who is very sick and wants to end the pain for what ever reason and they ASK me. Yes, i would help them achieve that end and HOW to do it right.

    as i said.... its complicated.
    People pose as cancer patients, online. Even "die" and come back, catfishing as their own mourners. I have come across 3 different people doing this since I first went online, in the 1990's. And I am not especially alert to the details of other peoples' claimed real lives, as you know.

    This "catfishing" phenomenon does not alter how we treat real cancer patients IRL. It could not.

    The emotional vampires, online or IRL, that you describe are a virulent nuisance. But their existence cannot shape our response to the actual sufferers of extreme depression that leads to actual, lethal suicide.

    This is a mental illness and can (almost always) be treated. Allowing sadists to derail that person's chances of recovery is akin to con artists, luring people away from Western medicine to try Laitrile (apircot pit extract) for enormous prices, and killing them by depriving them of the only life-saving care they could have chosen.

    Except the Laitrile com artists did it for the money. As do the worst of the "Christian" televangelists.

    People like the woman in this case did it for their AMUSEMENT. She treated that young man like a bug under glass, to be burned to death just to relieve her boredom.

    She is terrifying to me. I want her in prison.
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