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    SC Deputy Sheriff Fucks Up 1st Amendment



    Note: my comments below assume that all reported facts are accurate, and nothing relevant was left out by the reporters.

    SPARTANBURG COUNTY, S.C. —

    A 36-year-old Spartanburg woman is facing charges after she yelled insults at a high school baseball player during a game, swore at a deputy and refused to give him her name, according to a police report.
    Note: there is no crime known as "refusing to comply". The cop must have given a lawful order before refusing it could possibly be criminal.

    See also, 5th amendment right against self-incrimination. This is not Nazi Germany, and we do not have to "show our papers" every time some thug in blue demands it.

    A deputy who was working at the Broome High-Brynes High baseball game said the woman, later identified as Sonya Nicole Ricketts, yelled that a Broome player should run over the Byrnes player at home plate. She continued to yell at the Byrnes player, who turned and scowled at her, the report said.

    The deputy said Ricketts then yelled at the player, “Yeah, I am a smart ass and I got a mouth,” so the deputy told her she needed to leave the campus and he tried to escort her away from the game.
    Trash-talking at a HS baseball game is obviously protected free speech. Also, Ms. Ricketts' speech is hardly even crabby, nevermind offensive. EVEN for the Deep South.

    The deputy said Ricketts walked to the fence, but refused to leave, and said her family was still at the game. The deputy said when he told her again to leave the campus, Ricketts said, “You can shut your smart ass. I am not going anywhere.”
    Deputy Thug has no right to order any citizen off public property unless they are committing a crime. Failure to follow an illegal order is not a crime.

    The deputy told Ricketts she was under arrest for public disorderly conduct and to put her hands behind her back. He said Ricketts refused, and continued to walk away, so he grabbed her wrist and handcuffed her.
    You cannot commit the crime of resisting arrest if the predicate arrest is illegal. That cop is acting as a private person, under color of law, violating her civil rights and is exposing himself and his employer to liability by doing so.

    Whoever, under color of any law, statute, ordinance, regulation, or custom, willfully subjects any person in any State, Territory, Commonwealth, Possession, or District to the deprivation of any rights, privileges, or immunities secured or protected by the Constitution or laws of the United States, or to different punishments, pains, or penalties, on account of such person being an alien, or by reason of his color, or race, than are prescribed for the punishment of citizens, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than one year, or both; and if bodily injury results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include the use, attempted use, or threatened use of a dangerous weapon, explosives, or fire, shall be fined under this title or imprisoned not more than ten years, or both; and if death results from the acts committed in violation of this section or if such acts include kidnapping or an attempt to kidnap, aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to commit aggravated sexual abuse, or an attempt to kill, shall be fined under this title, or imprisoned for any term of years or for life, or both, or may be sentenced to death.
    18 USCA s. 242.. et seq.

    As Ricketts’ husband walked toward them she yelled for him to video tape what was going on, saying the deputy had slammed her on the hood.

    The deputy said Ricketts continued to swear at him and both she and her husband refused to give the deputy their names.
    "Swearing" at a cop is not a crime. You have a free speech right to swear like a sailor in public.

    The deputy said after he explained that if she was booked as Jane Doe, it would take time to get results of her fingerprints, Ricketts’ husband gave the deputy her driver’s license.

    Ricketts was being held at the Spartanburg County Detention Center pending a bond hearing.
    Woman charged after bad-mouthing HS baseball player, deputy

    Nice. So Deputy Thug threatened her with even more abuse of process if she did not comply.

    I hope she gets $1 million off this city for this. We have a HUGE problem with bad cops who think that their job is to bully citizens as the mood takes them.

    Deputy Thug needs to resign. He lacks the emotional maturity, judgment and basic civics knowledge to do the job of a cop.


    What say you?
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    She needs to hire you as her lawyer.


    (Btw......if i was the deputy i would have shot her.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    She needs to hire you as her lawyer.


    (Btw......if i was the deputy i would have shot her.)
    The ACLU might take her case, but I doubt it. Years ago they had the time and resources for these sorts of disputes, but not now.

    When are American cops going to get it through their thick heads that that uniform does not makes them Masters Of All They Survey? Their job is not to suppress perfectly legal conduct which personally offends THEM.

    (I do not believe you would have shot this lady. But had she been black, I wonder whether Deputy Thug might not have done.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The ACLU might take her case, but I doubt it. Years ago they had the time and resources for these sorts of disputes, but not now.

    When are American cops going to get it through their thick heads that that uniform does not makes them Masters Of All They Survey? Their job is not to suppress perfectly legal conduct which personally offends THEM.

    (I do not believe you would have shot this lady. But had she been black, I wonder whether Deputy Thug might not have done.)

    Please just stop it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post


    Note: my comments below assume that all reported facts are accurate, and nothing relevant was left out by the reporters.



    Note: there is no crime known as "refusing to comply". The cop must have given a lawful order before refusing it could possibly be criminal.

    See also, 5th amendment right against self-incrimination. This is not Nazi Germany, and we do not have to "show our papers" every time some thug in blue demands it.



    Trash-talking at a HS baseball game is obviously protected free speech. Also, Ms. Ricketts' speech is hardly even crabby, nevermind offensive. EVEN for the Deep South.



    Deputy Thug has no right to order any citizen off public property unless they are committing a crime. Failure to follow an illegal order is not a crime.



    You cannot commit the crime of resisting arrest if the predicate arrest is illegal. That cop is acting as a private person, under color of law, violating her civil rights and is exposing himself and his employer to liability by doing so.



    18 USCA s. 242.. et seq.



    "Swearing" at a cop is not a crime. You have a free speech right to swear like a sailor in public.



    Woman charged after bad-mouthing HS baseball player, deputy

    Nice. So Deputy Thug threatened her with even more abuse of process if she did not comply.

    I hope she gets $1 million off this city for this. We have a HUGE problem with bad cops who think that their job is to bully citizens as the mood takes them.

    Deputy Thug needs to resign. He lacks the emotional maturity, judgment and basic civics knowledge to do the job of a cop.


    What say you?
    Sadly that's not the way it works Madeline, at least not down here in the south.

    Not only is it a crime to refuse to show a cop your papers - but even something as simple as refusing to give a cop your name is a crime. It's called resisting an officer without violence. I know this from personal experience because I have been jailed for it.

    The police also have the legal authority to make you exit a baseball game. I know this from personal experience as well (I was barred from any future Football Games under similar circumstances) and when I consorted a lawyer I was told there was nothing I could do. Also - cussing at cops is against the law down here also. So that is unwise to do as well.

    The police down south have a lot more protections and liberties (via local laws) than they do in say a places like New York City. And until a court steps in and calls these kind of laws unconstitutional it's difficult to make a first amendment defense.

    But I have to say - I love the zeal in your argument.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Trash-talking at a HS baseball game is obviously protected free speech.
    Is it? I think patrons can be required to maintain a level of decorum at an event. There are all sorts of speech that will get you kicked out of a performance venue if it interferes with the performance. Swearing abusively at an amateur teenage athlete isn't conducive to the values of high school sports. I see no problem in removing an unruly fan from such a venue--I'd be bothered if they DIDN'T kick her out. High school athletes shouldn't have to deal with that shit.
    Last edited by Rasselas; 10th June 2017 at 08:14 AM.
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    This story sounds like BS to me.

    The woman was arrested for disorderly conduct.

    Some of these parents take these kids sport way too seriously even coming to blows with other parents/referees, etc.

    It sounds like to me this woman was being disorderly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Please just stop it.
    Why?

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    Even professional sporting events have codes of conduct, violation of which can get you tossed out of the venue. A police officer might be called to assist in enacting such a penalty. Here's such a code from a venue near you:
    The FirstEnergy Stadium staff and our partners are dedicated to providing a safe and enjoyable experience to all fans in attendance. Please be courteous and respectful to those seated around you and refrain from behavior that interferes with others' ability to enjoy the event. When attending an event at FirstEnergy Stadium you are required to refrain from the following:

    Behavior that is socially unacceptable, offensive, unruly or illegal in nature.
    Using or displaying foul or inflammatory language or gestures.
    Verbal or physical harassment of opposing team's fans.
    Throwing objects onto the field.
    Entering the playing field or interfering with the progress of the game.
    Failing to follow instructions or refusing to show your ticket stub when asked by a Stadium representative.
    Intoxication or other signs of alcohol impairment that results in irresponsible behavior.
    Smoking – In compliance with chapter 3794 on the Ohio Revised Code, smoking is prohibited in FirstEnergy Stadium
    Event patrons are responsible for their conduct as well as the conduct of their guests and/or persons using their tickets. Stadium staff will strive
    to maintain an atmosphere where all fans in attendance can enjoy the event free from the above behaviors. Event patrons and guests in violation
    of these provisions will be subject to ejection, arrest and loss of ticket privileges for future events.
    Cleveland Browns | Fan Code of Conduct
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Why?
    Because that's a race baiting comment.

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