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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    What's the purpose of the list? Why would it be useful if you're not in the business of selling pets? If you learned that a guy who's been living three houses down from you was convicted of animal abuse in 1993, would you treat him differently than you did before you saw the list?
    Yes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    There is only one person now listed on the registry, which obviously limits its value. But it appears not to be searchable as a map, the way a sex offender registry would be. I'm not sure if it is a crime not to register a new address, for an animal abuser. And why is it limited to the county, when it tracks state crimes?

    It's a good idea that needs more to serve any legitimate function. Nonetheless, a lot of misery could be avoided in this country if we dealt appropriately with serious animal abuse.

    Your thoughts?
    First of all, let me say I believe that the FBI’s addition of animal cruelty to its NIBRS database is important and will be very useful. Heck, I authored a thread about it here back in December of 2015. We need more coherent and comprehensive nonhuman animal welfare laws and policies, and more and better data will help us to get there.

    As for registries, any kind of registry, I think we have to be very careful in implementing them if they’re to do more good than harm. In principle I can see the benefit of having a publicly-accessible list of serial abusers that can be consulted in order to keep pets out of the hands of folks who can’t be trusted with them. But in order for such a registry to be useful and just, we must be careful about who goes on it and why. We much be judicious about the kind of information it contains, we must insure that it’s fairly administered and that there are provisions that allow a person to challenge his or her inclusion, and we must provide a mechanism for names to drop off the list when appropriate. Just as with any other kind of public registry...

    At first blush – and I’m too lazy to look up the ordinance establishing the registry and see exactly what the provisions are – this registry doesn’t appear to pass the necessary tests. It doesn’t give any information on the nature of the conviction. It doesn’t tell us when the crime was committed; whether it was last year or 20 years ago could make a difference, no? And so on…

    As it is, the registry looks to be too much like a scarlet letter for my liking. Thumbs down from me, on this iteration anyway.

    Cheers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    You can? Every prospective employer and landlord can pull your sheet? I don't think so.
    The laws vary from state to state. In some states, you can simply submit a request for someone's criminal history. In other states (including Ohio), a landlord or employer may include a clause on the application, in which your signature gives them permission to review your criminal history.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    The laws vary from state to state. In some states, you can simply submit a request for someone's criminal history. In other states (including Ohio), a landlord or employer may include a clause on the application, in which your signature gives them permission to review your criminal history.
    I am astonished. I didn't think this was the case at all.

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    What is so sad, people respond more sympathetic to a puppy. Someone once said that if you want to raise money have a puppy in the picture. The new thing with the homeless is for them to beg with a dog. When I was in New York City I am countered two men With their dog. One had a sign "my dog needs medicine"

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    Council Member Djinn's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    What is so sad, people respond more sympathetic to a puppy. Someone once said that if you want to raise money have a puppy in the picture. The new thing with the homeless is for them to beg with a dog. When I was in New York City I am countered two men With their dog. One had a sign "my dog needs medicine"
    I understand the strategy, but if you cannot provide yourself with clothing, food, and shelter, you should not be caring for a pet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Ugh. We should have elected Jeb.
    Well, um, back in 2000, it was Al Gore who SHOULD have become President. And would have, were it not for the SCOTUS improperly intervening into a state election.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    What if you had run a background check, and discovered that he'd been convicted of abusing a girlfriend many years ago? And then a week later, you see him at a restaurant having dinner with a new girlfriend. Would you be "like NO?"
    The girlfriend is an adult human who can make choices. A puppy is not.

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