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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    just wondering.... how would you feel about this if it was your daughter he did this to? Your daughter tell you he drugged and raped 30 years ago but she was to scared to tell... after all it was bill cosby.

    because you are both white shes a liar? becasue you are both white makes him innocent?
    If it happened to my daughter, I'd be hard pressed to do nothing until a trial. I would hope that my relationship with my children would be as such that they wouldn't be ashamed to let me know their problems, even serious ones like this.

    Unfortunately, 30 years later there's no evidence that would survive... Not enough for a conviction, just enough to smear his name in media.

    Race doesn't enter the equation, it doesn't mean Cosby is innocent, just that he can't be proven guilty.


    Quote Originally Posted by carpe diem View Post
    Let's take a look at this...we have ourselves a celebrity and we have some women that thought it would be awesome to have sex with said celebrity...groupies come to mind.

    Why on earth would the celebrity Bill Cosby have any need to rape, cajole, trick or drug a woman to get her to have sex with him? They would have been lined up and eager...then we look down the road of age and we see these same eager and willing participants that were eager and willing to "get some" from a celebrity now are eager and willing to get some $$$ from that celebrity.

    OHHH the shock!
    Except that rape isn't really about the sex, it's more about the power.

    I don't fully disagree with your assessment, in terms of how women around him might act, but that wouldn't impact Cosby if he was actually a sex predator.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    There is a reason they kept asking for the definition of reasonable doubt.

    They may have all thought he was guilty but they were following the law and should be commended for that.

    It restores faith in our judicial system.
    yeah, let's have a party.


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    Going to tell my son to make a shit load of money so he doesn't have to go to jail.
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    I took no interest at all in this trial, but let me say this, and it may be analogous.

    I THINK both OJ and Zimmerman are guilty as sin.

    But I KNOW neither was proven to be guilty in court.

    And that is our system for better or worse. In better, IMO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    I took no interest at all in this trial, but let me say this, and it may be analogous.

    I THINK both OJ and Zimmerman are guilty as sin.

    But I KNOW neither was proven to be guilty in court.

    And that is our system for better or worse. In better, IMO.
    Zimmerman? Not that again. Nope, he was defending his life. You can't just start beating the shit out of people because they are staring at you. If they have a gun, they are liable to use it. Pretty cut and dry.
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    Quote Originally Posted by publius3 View Post
    Its a PA venue but check out FRE 404b where prior bad acts can be used tonestablish motive, plan, opportunity. If 50 women testify they were drugged, and it were permitted, that would bolster the weight of the victim's assertion that she was drugged. The probative/prejudicial issue is intereeting, but there's no question the prior bad acts are 'evidence' in the broadest sense.

    PA rule of evidence of course may be completely different.
    Not completely different, but see here:

    "This evidence may be admissible for another purpose, such as proving motive, opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, absence of mistake, or lack of accident. In a criminal case this evidence is admissible only if the probative value of the evidence outweighs its potential for unfair prejudice." Pa.R.E. 404(b)(2) (emphasis supplied).

    I suspect chances are the same applies in the FRE, but it is obviously not explicit. In PA, in any case, the reference back to Rule 403 is explicit, and so it is a consideration that was almost certainly argued and taken into account.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Friday13 View Post
    I disagree. I also think that many of the witnesses who were not allowed to testify should have been allowed. There are just too many, spread too far apart, all telling the same story, over too many years. Apparently, at least some of the jury agrees with me.

    Why couldn't the Cosby jury reach a verdict? Legal experts assess.
    This would have required Cosby to defend 56 different rape accusations, none of which has the independent evidence necessary to elevate them from mere repetition.

    Where is your concern for a fair trial, or for a search for the truth? Many seem willing to accept nothing other than a guilty verdict, and if that's the case, why have a trial at all? Why not just lynch him?

    it is more likely than not that he is innocent. Doesn't this cause anyone the same sense of injustice it causes me?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    This would have required Cosby to defend 56 different rape accusations, none of which has the independent evidence necessary to elevate them from mere repetition.
    And more to the point, none of which he is on trial for.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Many seem willing to accept nothing other than a guilty verdict, and if that's the case, why have a trial at all? Why not just lynch him?
    Indeed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    It is a question of legal relevance. The mere fact that so many say the same thing has a probative value that is outweighed by its prejudicial effect. You are saying that, because so many say the same thing, he must be guilty this time because the story is the same. That is logically erroneous. While prior acts can be used to show pattern - which is why another witness was permitted to testify - excessive weight can be given such that jurors will want to find guilty of some or all of the prior bad acts even if they cannot determine guilt in the particular case at hand. And the particular case being tried is the only one on which the jury is permitted to find guilt.
    Thanx, @Ian Jeffrey...I understand that, but only one is, I think, too few...maybe one or two more, from different decades and areas? He is claiming 'consensual'...and the woman in question is Lesbian...I have very serious doubts that she consented to sex, and that she consented to being drugged.

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
    He gave date rape drugs to those women. Give me a break. No woman would take something like that willingly. Anyway, if it was just one or two accusing him, maybe I could doubt, maybe they were just out to get money out of him or something, he being rich and famous and all. But, how many of them there are now? Too many.

    There is no smoke, without fire, Madeline, sorry.
    No woman would take a Quaalude willingly? Where were you in the 70's?
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