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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Agreed. And if we're not ever going to release a person anyway, I really don't think it's more humane to cage a person than to execute them. It's of course different if you are talking about a sentence that leaves a person with plenty of free life left to live after serving his or her sentence.
    The will to live is a pretty strong one. You may have a hard time convincing an inmate you are "executing him for his own good".

    Traditionally they fight pretty hard to avoid the needle.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    The will to live is a pretty strong one. You may have a hard time convincing an inmate you are "executing him for his own good".

    Traditionally they fight pretty hard to avoid the needle.
    Most do. A few fight to be executed or attempt suicide.

    I think I would just stop eating.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    The will to live is a pretty strong one. You may have a hard time convincing an inmate you are "executing him for his own good".

    Traditionally they fight pretty hard to avoid the needle.
    Sure, but I am not going to suggest it's up to them. Even if it wasn't bad at all for their mental health. They could kick back in solitude and lead a perfectly happy life in incarceration, from a society point of view, they are done. They aren't going to be a productive member of the community, nor add a family, nor anything... they are just going to sit in a box and do nothing but eat, breathe, and poop. Why do we allow it?

    It can be argued that some might be found innocent years later. But I suggest that there are some, that we can be certain will never be found innocent. So at least those that meet certain criteria, ought to be simply executed. In fact, once we figured out the criteria, we should probably not allow capital sentences for any that don't meet that criteria.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chief View Post
    Sure, but I am not going to suggest it's up to them. Even if it wasn't bad at all for their mental health. They could kick back in solitude and lead a perfectly happy life in incarceration, from a society point of view, they are done. They aren't going to be a productive member of the community, nor add a family, nor anything... they are just going to sit in a box and do nothing but eat, breathe, and poop. Why do we allow it?

    It can be argued that some might be found innocent years later. But I suggest that there are some, that we can be certain will never be found innocent. So at least those that meet certain criteria, ought to be simply executed. In fact, once we figured out the criteria, we should probably not allow capital sentences for any that don't meet that criteria.

    Because we are a civilized society.

    But do understand your premise from a strictly practical viewpoint.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Because we are a civilized society.

    But do understand your premise from a strictly practical viewpoint.
    We do say that, and for the most part believe it, but I suggest maybe it's not as civilized as it appears. We don't want to appear to be pointlessly causing suffering. But locking a person up in a cage for decades until they die, probably still results in suffering. So our efforts to feel like we are civilized, may be just making us feel better about it, while still causing the suffering that we are trying to avoid.
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    SCOTUS issued a stay of execution on Keith Tharpe at approximately 11:59 pm, yesterday.
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    The problem is if you are Black in most cases your sentence will be commuted. if you are white you are executed


    More blacks are give the death sentence.. but the sentence isn't carried out. if you are white you are more likely to be executed.


    https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-de...-executed-1976

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    The problem is if you are Black in most cases your sentence will be commuted. if you are white you are executed


    More blacks are give the death sentence.. but the sentence isn't carried out. if you are white you are more likely to be executed.


    https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/race-de...-executed-1976
    Nothing in your link supports your claim. The percent of execution ever carried out in the US which involved blacks is 34.5%. Since 1976, it has dropped to 15.3%.

    This COULD be because more blacks have had their sentences commuted or have been released after exoneration, but that inference is not the only possibility. And if it is, it doesn't explain why. Are blacks more likely than whites to receive death sentences on shaky evidence? Etc.

    I think racial bias plays a role, every step of the way, and you could be right. But we cannot assume this.

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