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    The death penalty serves no logical purpose. For example, it cannot be a deterrent as- once we kill murderers- the marginal cost for the murderer from committing additional murders falls to zero (i.e. it encourages them to increase their kill rate). We're therefore left with the reality, as illustrated by your post: it isn't anything but a hangover from lynch mob mentality.
    Its revenge for the victims, plain and simple.

    If somebody raped and murdered your family I am sure you would want us to kill the person who did it.

    We will happily oblige you.

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    You can certainly advocate for a system under which every first degree murderer is executed, no exceptions. I might even join you.

    However, that is not what Georgia law provides. No state or the federal government with the death penalty has that system today.

    To be executed in America, the crime must be death-qualified, and the jury must consider factors in mitigation and in aggravation, and conclude that THIS defendant must die for THIS murder.

    Some crimes are death-qualified because of the status of the victim. Killing a police officer in the course of his duties. Killing more than one person. Etc.

    Some are death-qualified because of the killer's conduct: torture-murder, murder for hire, etc.

    In many DP states, maybe most, a crime is death-qualified if it occurs during the course of another felony. Robbery, rape, kidnapping, bank robbery, murder of a witness or juror in another case. Etc.

    This last category is how Tharpe was sentenced to death, even though the crimes against his ex-wife occured after he murdered his sister in law. Ergo, his victim could not have known about his ex-wife's suffering.

    More importantly, almost no first degree murders occur in the ABSENCE of any other felony. Driving a cab, operating a 24 bodega, working as a street prostitute, etc. are all unusually dangerous occupations because those workers are a greater risk of being murdered. IOW, these murders are horrible, but not shocking.

    IF you agree that we should execute ONLY the worst of the worst, as I do, it is just not possible to argue that every robbery-murder is heinous etc. So many occur in Cleveland, I barely even notice each individual crime.

    My own view is, ONLY one type murder should be death-qualified: torture-murder.

    Tharpe could not be executed under a death penalty scheme that I would approve. He cannot be executed in conformity with the US constitution, as interpreted by the SCOTUS last year.

    But it is almost certain, he will nonetheless be executed in 72 hours.

    If so. this is nothing but racist, state-sponsored lynching, IMO. A white man in Tharpe's position would have had his death sentence commutted to LWOP.
    Well what needs to happen is to ensure those whites are also killed, what doesn't need to happen is end it for others.

    And as I said earlier, plenty of whites have gone to the chamber also.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Its revenge for the victims, plain and simple.

    If somebody raped and murdered your family I am sure you would want us to kill the person who did it.

    We will happily oblige you.
    Revenge? As I said 'lynch mob mentality'.

    As you're not referring to deterrence you cannot refer to how punishment minimises the risk of my family becoming victims. Indeed, there is plenty of analysis looking at how the death penalty actually increases the risk of further murders. See, for example, the brutalisation hypothesis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    Well what needs to happen is to ensure those whites are also killed, what doesn't need to happen is end it for others.

    And as I said earlier, plenty of whites have gone to the chamber also.
    Fine. Let's also eliminate the gender bias, and execute every female 1st degree murderer.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ęthelfrith View Post
    Revenge? As I said 'lynch mob mentality'.

    As you're not referring to deterrence you cannot refer to how punishment minimises the risk of my family becoming victims. Indeed, there is plenty of analysis looking at how the death penalty actually increases the risk of further murders. See, for example, the brutalisation hypothesis.
    2,000 of Western jurisprudence holds we punish criminals to safeguard society.

    Revenge, intended to bless only the victims' loved ones, is not a cognizable government purpose.

    A state with such a purpose has created an equal protection violation that cannot be cured. The victims' families denied this "blessing of government" are chosen so randomly, this cannot possibly be constitutional.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    2,000 of Western jurisprudence holds we punish criminals to safeguard society.

    Revenge, intended to bless only the victims' loved ones, is not a cognizable government purpose.

    A state with such a purpose has created an equal protection violation that cannot be cured. The victims' families denied this "blessing of government" are chosen so randomly, this cannot possibly be constitutional.
    The death penalty is the last element of 'revenge killing' that needs eliminating. They pretend its about deterrence, but they are reliant on a corrupted approach that ignores the incentives created by having it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Link? I do not think human intelligence is arrayed as you suggested. Also, the impact on a human adult of an IQ of 80 v. 70 or less is not "ten percent less brain power". It's the loss of the capacity for independent living, etc.

    I never suggested that Tharpe should be "excused". He is guilty and, as far as I know, he has no excuse.

    (Extreme mental disability can be associated with loss of inhibition, etc., so it's possible he was unable to confine his conduct to the law. But set that issue aside momentarily, for this thread, please.)

    The Op makes clear that (1) Tharpe's death sentence is constitutionally flawed and should be void and (2) would never have been imposed if Tharpe had not been black, poor and disabled.

    And a resident of Georgia.

    What racist injury could possibly be worse than illegally executing death row inmates because they are black? How is this any different from Jim Crow lynching?
    The op does not make any such things clear.

    One juror does not a racist jury make.

    The death penalty here is legal

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Fine. Let's also eliminate the gender bias, and execute every female 1st degree murderer.
    I agree.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ęthelfrith View Post
    The death penalty is the last element of 'revenge killing' that needs eliminating. They pretend its about deterrence, but they are reliant on a corrupted approach that ignores the incentives created by having it
    No we don't.

    Its about getting equality for the victims families.

    You take the life of someone else you should forfeit yours.

    Plain and simple.

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    I like the annual Amnesty International video updates on the death penalty. Its a 'which backward country will compete with the US this year?' countdown.

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