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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    And your babies.

    Don't forget that little part.
    Nope. There's not a baby in her womb. There is a fetus in her womb. We have had this discussion, and your position still fails as irrational.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    What goes on in my uterus is nobody's business but my own.
    A baby ought to have a vote. Of course he's too young.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Nope. There's not a baby in her womb. There is a fetus in her womb. We have had this discussion, and your position still fails as irrational.
    It's a baby to everyone who wants it, and just a fetus to everyone else. But how many states recognize the death of a fetus through violence to the mother as homicide? 37
    How do you reconcile those laws with your insistence that there's more than a semantic difference between "baby" and "fetus"?
    http://www.nrlc.org/federal/unbornvi...idelaws092302/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Isalexi View Post
    Why donít we call 4year olds embryos? We call embryos children.
    Is English your first language? Your meaning escapes me entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Is English your first language? Your meaning escapes me entirely.
    She's suggesting that calling embryos "children" is a misguided appeal to emotion, and as illogical as calling four year-old children "embryos."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    It's a baby to everyone who wants it, and just a fetus to everyone else. But how many states recognize the death of a fetus through violence to the mother as homicide? 37
    How do you reconcile those laws with your insistence that there's more than a semantic difference between "baby" and "fetus"?
    State Homicide Laws That Recognize Unborn Victims | National Right to Life
    I don't. I have said repeatedly that those laws are irrational, stupid, and self-contradictory. Those laws recognise the personhood of fetuses...until they don't. Because every one of the fetal homicide laws in our nation make exceptions for abortion. So, they effectively say, "A fetus is a person...except when we feel like saying that it isn't," That inherent contradiction within the laws themselves make the laws bad law, and they should be abolished. Interestingly enough, those laws have not once been challenged in court on this particular merit. I think they need to be, and let the courts decide if a law that is so self-contradictory can actually be considered valid.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Djinn View Post
    She's suggesting that calling embryos "children" is a misguided appeal to emotion, and as illogical as calling four year-old children "embryos."
    Cool, you have that language interpretation app... can you convert Mandarin too?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    I don't. I have said repeatedly that those laws are irrational, stupid, and self-contradictory. Those laws recognise the personhood of fetuses...until they don't. Because every one of the fetal homicide laws in our nation make exceptions for abortion. So, they effectively say, "A fetus is a person...except when we feel like saying that it isn't," That inherent contradiction within the laws themselves make the laws bad law, and they should be abolished. Interestingly enough, those laws have not once been challenged in court on this particular merit. I think they need to be, and let the courts decide if a law that is so self-contradictory can actually be considered valid.
    Fetuses are simply human, until they're inconvenient... then they have less status than an unwanted kitten.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Otto Throttle View Post
    Fetuses are simply human, until they're inconvenient... then they have less status than an unwanted kitten.
    Just being genetically human is not enough to supersede an actual person's right to their own body. You know what else is genetically human? Cancer. That is medical fact. However, to suggest that is enough to prevent a person the right to remove is is absurd. A fetus is always genetically human, even when it is aborted. So what? That, alone, is meaningless.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post


    What fucking geniuses we elect to this state's legislature.



    Abortion on Down syndrome fetus to be banned under Ohio bills - News - The Columbus Dispatch - Columbus, OH

    I am surprised any similar laws are still in effect. I can only assume they have not yet been in effect long enough to have been declared unconstitutional by the SCOTUS.

    This proposed law is so asinine, I barely know where to begin. The state most certainly has no place injecting itself and the criminal law into the decisions of parents facing the possibility of giving birth to a damaged baby. If they choose to do so, AFTER the baby is born, the state has certain duties to the families of such children it would not owe to the families of normal children.



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    I am 100% pro-choice.. Make the choice BEFORE conception.



    Don't want a child don't, screw around.

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