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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    This isn't about "not liking it", and you know it. My wife, and I may well have decided that we are financially fit enough to start a family. However, when we learn that the fetus has, or will likely produce a child with, defects, that entirely changes the math. We are certainly not financially sound enough to raise a child and afford the ongoing medical costs of caring for a special needs child.

    Now, if you want to force us to assume that extra moral, and financial responsibility, then you - through your state government - are going to assume those costs that we were unprepared to assume, right?
    The money is only part of it. What decision could possibly be more personal than the decision whether to bring a damaged baby into the world?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Advice from my Grandmother

    don't like shit on your feet, Don't walk through a cow pasture barefoot.


    I am 100% pro-choice.. Make the choice BEFORE conception.



    Don't want a child don't, screw around.
    Thank you for your ridiculous opinion. The rest of America has no duty to adhere to your anti-human regime.

    Has it occurred to you, the parents might have desperately wanted a child but cannot face the lifetime (plus) commitment a damaged baby requires?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    Advice from my Grandmother

    don't like shit on your feet, Don't walk through a cow pasture barefoot.


    I am 100% pro-choice.. Make the choice BEFORE conception.



    Don't want a child don't, screw around.
    First, that is absurd. This isn't about fucking. This is about control over your body. Second, the OP isn't even about that. The fact is, the specific circumstances involved in the law in question isn't about wanting kids, or not wanting kids. Guess what? Typically, by the time a couple discovers that their fetus has medical issues, they have already decided they wanted kids. This is about finances, and emotional stability, and whether or not a couple can provide for a special needs kid. And, guess what? No one else gets to make that determination for a couple. And how dare anyone presume that they do!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The money is only part of it. What decision could possibly be more personal than the decision whether to bring a damaged baby into the world?
    Careful. Now their going to tell you what a terrible human being for calling a child with physical disabilities "damaged". Nevermind that's what it is.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    First, that is absurd. This isn't about fucking. This is about control over your body. Second, the OP isn't even about that. The fact is, the specific circumstances involved in the law in question isn't about wanting kids, or not wanting kids. Guess what? Typically, by the time a couple discovers that their fetus has medical issues, they have already decided they wanted kids. This is about finances, and emotional stability, and whether or not a couple can provide for a special needs kid. And, guess what? No one else gets to make that determination for a couple. And how dare anyone presume that they do!!!!!
    So you support men not supporting the children the woman gets to choose, why not the men?

    Just sayin' that would be EQUAL rights.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    So you support men not supporting the children the woman gets to choose, why not the men?

    Just sayin' that would be EQUAL rights.
    Again. You are off topic. This is about couples deciding what is best for them in horrible circumstances, and how dare anyone else presume that they get to make that decision for them. Do, try to avoid the red herrings.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Czernobog View Post
    Again. You are off topic. This is about couples deciding what is best for them in horrible circumstances, and how dare anyone else presume that they get to make that decision for them. Do, try to avoid the red herrings.
    the couple is 2 people. You are supporting the WOMAN'S right to choose, not the man.

    So am I mistake and you are saying that BOTH parents MUST to agree with the abortion process the child can be killed.. I don't think so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    So you support men not supporting the children the woman gets to choose, why not the men?

    Just sayin' that would be EQUAL rights.
    What possible government interest does the state of Ohio have in forcibly preventing abortions, but ONLY if the baby has Down' s?

    What do you think will happen? Pregnant women will find it extremely hard to get tested -- an aspect of prenatal care already fraught. They'll find it harder to get honest advice from their doctors, who will not risk their medical licenses.

    Nothing whatsoever will benefit the Downs children and adults already living in Ohio.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    What possible government interest does the state of Ohio have in forcibly preventing abortions, but ONLY if the baby has Down' s?

    What do you think will happen? Pregnant women will find it extremely hard to get tested -- an aspect of prenatal care already fraught. They'll find it harder to get honest advice from their doctors, who will not risk their medical licenses.

    Nothing whatsoever will benefit the Downs children and adults already living in Ohio.
    THE US CONSTITUTION.. which says our posterity is to have the rights of the Constitituion (Posterity = unborn Generation) the fetus is the NEXT unborn generation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TNVolunteer73 View Post
    THE US CONSTITUTION.. which says our posterity is to have the rights of the Constitituion (Posterity = unborn Generation) the fetus is the NEXT unborn generation.
    Except that is a misuse of the word posterity:
    "POSTERITY -- 1. Descendants; children, children's children, &c. indefinitely; the race that proceeds from the progenitor... -- 2. In a general sense, succeeding generations; opposed to ancestors." An American Dictionary of the English Language, Noah Webster (1828), reprinted by Foundation for American Christian Education (1967).

    It's not about unborn fetuses. It's about future generations. Guess what. Even if Brenda gets an abortion, there will still be future generations. Posterity continues.
    Last edited by Czernobog; 26th September 2017 at 09:13 PM.
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