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    Anti-Vaxxer Threatened With Jail If Her Son Not Vaccinated



    A Michigan mother has a choice to make: either go against her beliefs and vaccinate her son, or go to jail.

    Rebecca Bredow, of the Metro Detroit area, has one week to get her 9-year-old son vaccinated or an Oakland County judge will throw her in jail.

    "I would rather sit behind bars standing up for what I believe in, than giving in to something I strongly don't believe in," she told WXYZ. "God forbid he were to be injured by one of the vaccines, then what. That scares me."

    Bredow, a mother of two, told the outlet that when her son was born she and her ex-husband decided to space out and delay some of his vaccines.

    However, now that the child is older the boy's father wants the vaccines done. Bredow, who educated herself and researched the effects vaccines have on children, is against it.

    "It wasn't until they started grouping them together that I backed off of doing vaccines," she explained.

    After reading up on vaccinations, Bredow said she decided the best option would be a waiver, which in the state of Michigan allows parents to opt out of getting their kids certain vaccinations.

    Her decision has landed her in a court battle with her ex-husband, where a judge sided with the father, who wants the vaccines given to his son.


    "I believe in the choice of the parent to make the right decision based on their knowledge of vaccines," Bredow said.

    She has until Oct. 11 to have the vaccinations completed. If she does not follow the judge's order, she could go to jail for contempt for violating the court's ruling. WXYZ reports that the court would decide how long Bredow would sit behind bars, if it comes to that.

    "I feel angry. I feel backed into a corner. I feel my rights as a parent have been taken away," she said.

    "Yes, every parent has a choice but we also have a right to have our voices heard. So why automatically side with the father that wants the vaccines," Bredow continued. "What about my choice as the mother who's the primary caretaker, who solely takes care of my son."

    Bredow said she does not want to go to jail, and will continuing fighting it out in court.
    Mother facing jail time for not vaccinating son - NY Daily News

    I'm not aware of another family court case like this, and it's not clear to me that the cases in which the government steps in to prevent child neglect are directly on-point. This is (apparently) not about neglect, but rather about custody and the right to choose how a child you are legally entitled to make choices for but do not have custody of should be raised.

    I doubt it's a "men's rights" case, as it seems unlikely to me that if Mom wanted the child vaccinated and Dad did not, the court would still side with Dad.

    Seems odd Dad wouldn't just take the child in to be vaccinated when he has visitation. Mom is an idiot, but in this country, you have the right to be a stupid parent -- within limits.

    Your thoughts?

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    My thoughts are that the father sued and won.
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    This boils down to contempt of court. She deserves to go to jail if she willingly disobeys the judges ruling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The headline is more than misleading. It is false. This woman faces possible jail time for contempt of court. It is not unusual in such family law cases for the court to side with the parent who wants to provide standard medical care to their children over the parent who prefers not to provide standard medical care due to their peculiar personal beliefs. Even strongly held religious beliefs are not viewed as an excuse for a parent to deny needed medical care to their children.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post
    The headline is more than misleading. It is false. This woman faces possible jail time for contempt of court. It is not unusual in such family law cases for the court to side with the parent who wants to provide standard medical care to their children over the parent who prefers not to provide standard medical care due to their peculiar personal beliefs. Even strongly held religious beliefs are not viewed as an excuse for a parent to deny needed medical care to their children.
    "Not unusual"?

    Can you link to another such reported case?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    "Not unusual"?

    Can you link to another such reported case?

    Court Decides Christian Scientist Can Be Tried in Her Child's Death

    The California Supreme Court ruled yesterday that a member of the Christian Science church could be prosecuted in the death of her child because she provided only spiritual healing and not conventional medical care.

    The California ruling may influence at least a dozen other cases involving the responsibilities of parents who reject standard medical treatment because of their religious beliefs. Constitutional lawyers have viewed such cases as pitting the right to freely exercise one's religion and bring up children according to its tenets against society's responsibility to protect the lives of minors.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    "Not unusual"?

    Can you link to another such reported case?

    Court Decides Christian Scientist Can Be Tried in Her Child's Death

    The California Supreme Court ruled yesterday that a member of the Christian Science church could be prosecuted in the death of her child because she provided only spiritual healing and not conventional medical care.

    The California ruling may influence at least a dozen other cases involving the responsibilities of parents who reject standard medical treatment because of their religious beliefs. Constitutional lawyers have viewed such cases as pitting the right to freely exercise one's religion and bring up children according to its tenets against society's responsibility to protect the lives of minors.
    Of course, in the OP case the mother is not just endangering her child, but other people's children too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I'm not aware of another family court case like this...
    I actually had a case that very nearly went to trial over custody, and vaccinations would have been one of the issues. Both parties had, when they were married, decided not to vaccinate the kids. But a couple years after the divorce, dad (my client) was beginning to change his mind, while mom was a staunch anti-vaxxer. She had a nice little rant about that at her deposition, especially when I trotted out the email to dad in which she described vaccinations and other evidence-based medical care as "poisoning the children in the name of western medicine," or something like that. (She also lied about other things, and was not happy when I presented her with her own emails proving it.) Ended up settling the case largely in my client's favor.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    This is (apparently) not about neglect, but rather about custody and the right to choose how a child you are legally entitled to make choices for but do not have custody of should be raised.
    What it is "about" depends on how the attorneys frame the issues, and what the judge decides.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Seems odd Dad wouldn't just take the child in to be vaccinated when he has visitation.
    That would be beyond his authority as a non-custodial parent. When one parent has sole custody, the other parent may only make emergency medical decisions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    "Not unusual"?

    Can you link to another such reported case?
    Sure. I could link to many cases that are similar in nature. So could you, if you were genuinely interested in the truth, versus merely engaging in outrage trolling.
    Last edited by NightSwimmer; 29th September 2017 at 10:18 AM.

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    Not exactly the same, though. That's a criminal case against a parent accused of religion-based neglect, resulting in death.
    Last edited by Madeline; 29th September 2017 at 10:12 AM.

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