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    Quote Originally Posted by syrenn View Post
    innocent?

    did they murder their parents.... or not?
    "Murder" is a legal conclusion. By the time the first trial started, they admitted they shot them to death.

    But not every fatal shooting is a murder.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    The guilty assholes belong in prison, for a damn long time. Oh wait, they are in prison for a long time. Good.
    Yeah, but.

    There's a reason the law recognizes different classes of unjustified homicides.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    "Murder" is a legal conclusion. By the time the first trial started, they admitted they shot them to death.

    But not every fatal shooting is a murder.
    The younger son confessed to his therapist that they had shot their parents..before the trial even started.
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    My problem is as follows: If it is the battered child syndrome there is some merit to the fact that they have eliminated the target of their rage so are not apt to be a menace to the rest of society.

    BUT ... The same could be true of the hard done to wife who kills her abusive husband or the hard done to husband who kills his abusive wife. I've heard the argument that you could just post a notice in the papers along the lines of "DO NOT MARRY THIS PERSON" and all is well.

    And yet I still think the degree of mind-fuckedness all of the above suffer, plus the message given that you could get away with this makes me say keep them incarcerated forever. The next question being are psychiatric confinement facilities any more humane than prisons.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Madeline I don’t believe for one minute those parents were abusive to the point those boys were in fear of them. Maybe they where in fear of losing their inheritance if they disappointed their parents but the boys were not tortured. Stop being willing to carry water for everyone that claims to be a victim and reserve your energy for cases that outside sources can verify the story. Anybody can scream they are victims but only legit ones can get outside sources to claim they were aware of it. Zero people knew anything was a miss with these boys in terms of abuse before the murders.
    I thought the battered child defense was ridiculous at the time of their first trial. And it wasn't until the recent broadcast of the Law & Order miniseries on them that I developed doubts.

    Doubts I think would have resulted in a not guilty verdict in the first trial if they had had competent counsel. Leslie Abramson turned herself and her client into the most annoying, despised, entitled buffoons in the country.

    My doubts arose because there were outcry witnesses over the years, as far back as when the younger brother was 8. The facts about the family that are uncontested suggest that IF abuse was happening, it would be severe and the kids would have no access to safety (arguably after they were teenagers they could have run away, but I don't think that eliminates a battered child defense.)

    What bothers me most is that both brothers committed these especially gruesome murders. Not one killed and the other conspired to conceal the killer's identity. No, they both planned and they both killed....and that is very rare, very deviant behavior.

    Are you so willing to believe both brothers developed a massive personality disorder -- the same one, expressed in the same way, at the same time?

    I have my doubts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    This case is unusual, because they admitted the shooting but claimed they were not guilty due to their mental state. Battered child syndrome, imperfect self-defense, temporary insanity.....whatever.

    If they did it for greed, they're guilty. If they did it to end a lifetime of abuse, they're innocent (or guilty of a far less serious crime.)

    The reason I think so is because killing your parents is an extremely rare crime. Cold-blooded, premeditated murder of both parents is even more rare. And dual sibling assassins is unheard of to my knowledge.

    (Though there really is nothing new under the sun, and I am confident, it has happened before.)

    What is NOT rare is sadistic, almost unimaginable cruelty by parents towards their own children. And when abuse occurs in a wealthy family, the victims are FAR less likely to be believed, even less so rescued. And the father was a "self-made man", meaning nobody else in these brothers' lives was also wealthy. Nobody else had the personal power to defend the brothers if they had tried to mutiny on the parents.

    If I am right, two men are doing LWOP, stripped of all their parents' wealth, and have no claim on the public sympathy at all. They are despised as the evil entitled family anniliators that most horrified us as to how family can be a danger.

    Did they get a fair trial? Were they adequately represented?

    Did you ever suspect they might NOT be guilty? If they are innocent, do you care?
    I don't think the abuse charges being true would amount to them not being guilty, it would just result in a lower sentence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    I don't know about that. Everything I've read about the parents is that the dad was very abusive while the Mom was enabled her husband.

    Still no excuse for killing them though. Agree they could of just run away - it's not like they were broke. Seems like the older son was a bit crazy himself.
    I think the reality of what the parents did is most likely much darker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    I don't the abuse charges being true would amount to them not being guilty, it would just result in a lower sentence.
    Not guilty as to first degree premeditated murder, and guilty of a lesser charge?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Not guilty as to first degree premeditated murder, and guilty of a lesser charge?
    Good question, I don't know. Lots of variables.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RNG View Post
    My problem is as follows: If it is the battered child syndrome there is some merit to the fact that they have eliminated the target of their rage so are not apt to be a menace to the rest of society.

    BUT ... The same could be true of the hard done to wife who kills her abusive husband or the hard done to husband who kills his abusive wife. I've heard the argument that you could just post a notice in the papers along the lines of "DO NOT MARRY THIS PERSON" and all is well.

    And yet I still think the degree of mind-fuckedness all of the above suffer, plus the message given that you could get away with this makes me say keep them incarcerated forever. The next question being are psychiatric confinement facilities any more humane than prisons.
    The few people who have been acquitted on a battered wife defense have never killed again that I have ever heard of. Can't say I have ever seen a scholarly research article on the question, but I don't think you are correct on the medicine.

    Judging from the battered women and children we HAVE saved, who did not kill their abusers, full recovery is not only possible but likely.

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