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    I thought the battered child defense was ridiculous at the time of their first trial. And it wasn't until the recent broadcast of the Law & Order miniseries on them that I developed doubts.

    Doubts I think would have resulted in a not guilty verdict in the first trial if they had had competent counsel. Leslie Abramson turned herself and her client into the most annoying, despised, entitled buffoons in the country.

    My doubts arose because there were outcry witnesses over the years, as far back as when the younger brother was 8. The facts about the family that are uncontested suggest that IF abuse was happening, it would be severe and the kids would have no access to safety (arguably after they were teenagers they could have run away, but I don't think that eliminates a battered child defense.)

    What bothers me most is that both brothers committed these especially gruesome murders. Not one killed and the other conspired to conceal the killer's identity. No, they both planned and they both killed....and that is very rare, very deviant behavior.

    Are you so willing to believe both brothers developed a massive personality disorder -- the same one, expressed in the same way, at the same time?

    I have my doubts.
    From what I have seen and read - the older brother dominated the younger one - much like their dad did to them.

    They had more than enough money just to leave instead of killing them. Unless both of them were truly psychotic.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    They could have moved/run away.

    There is always a better option.

    Its like the "Burning Bed" story. Yes you can sympathize but normal people wouldn't do that.
    Put "normal people" into situations like that, and it's hard to say what they would do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    From what I have seen and read - the older brother dominated the younger one - much like their dad did to them.

    They had more than enough money just to leave instead of killing them. Unless both of them were truly psychotic.
    The brothers could not control the money. Being the wife or child of a rich man is not the same as being rich.

    It's possible both brothers developed a shared "seige" mentality.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    I don't know about that. Everything I've read about the parents is that the dad was very abusive while the Mom was enabled her husband.

    Still no excuse for killing them though. Agree they could of just run away - it's not like they were broke. Seems like the older son was a bit crazy himself.

    From what I understand he was very demanding of his sons. That technically isnít abuse, itís bad parenting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jacobfitcher View Post
    Put "normal people" into situations like that, and it's hard to say what they would do.
    "Burning Bed" was based on a true story, the 1977 acquittal of a woman on temporary insanity grounds after the jury heard testimony about the hopelessness of her situation. Frances Hughes Wilson.

    Point is, that was addressed by the 1994 Violence Against Women act and the same hopelessness could probably not be successfully claimed today.

    But it is analogous to the hopelessness of abused children in very wealthy families. If the sadism is bad enough, shouldn't they also get to prevail on these grounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The brothers could not control the money. Being the wife or child of a rich man is not the same as being rich.

    It's possible both brothers developed a shared "seige" mentality.
    They had access to their credit cards.

    They didn't need to kill their parents no matter how awful they might of been

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    From what I understand he was very demanding of his sons. That technically isn’t abuse, it’s bad parenting.
    Far more than that from what I have read and seen. Including possible child abuse.

    The courts have spoken though so I don't know why this is even a "thing".

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    "Burning Bed" was based on a true story, the 1977 acquittal of a woman on temporary insanity grounds after the jury heard testimony about the hopelessness of her situation. Frances Hughes Wilson.

    Point is, that was addressed by the 1994 Violence Against Women act and the same hopelessness could probably not be successfully claimed today.

    But it is analogous to the hopelessness of abused children in very wealthy families. If the sadism is bad enough, shouldn't they also get to prevail on these grounds?
    You could also argue that they have more options than someone like a Francine Wilson had.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The few people who have been acquitted on a battered wife defense have never killed again that I have ever heard of. Can't say I have ever seen a scholarly research article on the question, but I don't think you are correct on the medicine.

    Judging from the battered women and children we HAVE saved, who did not kill their abusers, full recovery is not only possible but likely.
    The phrase "did not kill their abusers" is key.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HayJenn View Post
    They had access to their credit cards.

    They didn't need to kill their parents no matter how awful they might of been
    Yes, a child in a wealthy family can make a fund by pawning valuables, etc. But that runs out fast.

    Surely you know people still controlled by their parents into their 40's? That's a level of financial control middle class families cannot exert.

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