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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    No defense atty would ever allow me to sit on a jury being ex-DEA. (pretty sure my immediate family as well.)
    only on a criminal trial... there is always civil.
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    I just got back from my participation in civic duty sitting all morning in a jury pool. It wasn't too bad and luckily the people in this city are super nice and easy to talk to.

    Finally I get called to be on a selection/panel for a case regarding a man (who was present) charged with animal cruelty. While I wasn't provided details, I did see photos on the People's table of the animal and it looked like a cat who had been injured/shot in the eye. Living still, but clearly injured.

    Upon announcing the charge, a woman sitting in the potential alternatives stated "I can't hear this case, I need to leave" and she promptly got up and walked out. The judge asked us not to allow that to affect us but it clearly did.

    People and Defense both had 15 min each to ask the panel any questions they wanted - and based on the woman's proclamation you could see it did have a clear effect on us. Luckily people were honest but many were too honest in my opinion:

    - One man admitted he had no clue how the court system works and all he cared about is why he needed to be there.
    - And one woman broke out crying (probably from the pressure and being nervous) when asked direct questions.
    - Even though it is the law - many people openly admitted they would not be able to be impartial based on the charge alone. Where there is smoke there is fire - kinda thinking.

    It was so bad, they dismissed all of us and postponed the selection until they could find 12 people (6 needed and 6 alternatives) who could admit they would find it in themselves to be impartial and objective.

    And that is the point of my post. It was very clear that many people had a bag full of excuses why they would be unable to be impartial. I suspect most were being honest but I also suspect that some of excuses was simply so they wouldn't be picked and could go home.

    Your job as a juror is to be impartial, objective and put aside your emotions to examine the facts in the case and decide if there is any reasonable doubt. And I was surprised (I shouldn't have been) in how willing people are to tell a judge they won't be able to follow the law. There isn't enough education on this fact going in. I believe courts need to do a better job of educating those who they call on for civic duty.
    Not sure that I agree. Yes, by law you're obligated to be available for jury duty. And IF selected, you're expected to be objective and impartial. Yet, there is no law that requires you as a civilian to 'have to be' impartial on any given case. You are required to honestly say if you feel you can, or cannot, be that impartial juror in a given case.
    The legal obligation is reserved for those who choose the law as a profession. And then obviously only for a judge, both prosecutor and defense lawyer are pretty much expected to be biased and to 'sway' the jury towards the party they represent...a defense lawyer is expected to use everything he has at his hands to protect his client and to work on a free pass for him, no matter how much s/he might know / be convinced about the objective guilt of the client.

    Government can not rely on volunteers only, as they not necessarily would do it out of duty, but for any other personal motivation... so what's left is random selection. And in that case, yes, there will always be people who,will 'claim' a bias in a presented case, just to,get out of the duty... but I don't see this as something that can - or should - be punishable by law... and if so, there has to be the need for the government to provide PROOF that a potential juror is subjectively lying just to get out of it... and good luck with that.
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    Opinion on jury duty=Don't do it. You will be sorry. It's not a bowl of cherries. It's the pits.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    No defense atty would ever allow me to sit on a jury being ex-DEA. (pretty sure my immediate family as well.)
    Almost certainly true of a criminal case. A civil case should pose no problem, should be in the pool for one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    Opinion on jury duty=Don't do it. You will be sorry. It's not a bowl of cherries. It's the pits.
    My question would be if no one wanted to do it where would we be then?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Almost certainly true of a criminal case. A civil case should pose no problem, should be in the pool for one.
    Of course the other problem for me would be my TBI (traumatic brain injury) which put me on disability in 1989.

    In actuality my government service would have no effect on my impartiality in a criminal case but I can understand why defense wouldn't want me.
    It's really based on unfounded discrimination of an entire occupation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    My question would be if no one wanted to do it where would we be then?

    and that is where it gets funny!!!


    laywers are picking a jury they think they can get the best results out of. I am all for calling out the first 15 names and you get what you get.


    seat me and take your chances!
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    I think I've been called about five times, but I'm simply too busy to be able to drop work and serve for a pittance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EnigmaO01 View Post
    My question would be if no one wanted to do it where would we be then?
    Good question just not one I like to address. Jury duty is like going to the dentist. You may have to go at the end of the day but YUCK !!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devil505 View Post
    Of course the other problem for me would be my TBI (traumatic brain injury) which put me on disability in 1989.

    In actuality my government service would have no effect on my impartiality in a criminal case but I can understand why defense wouldn't want me.
    It's really based on unfounded discrimination of an entire occupation.
    ? You mean entire diagnosis not occupation, correct? I don't understand the word occupation in relation to your TBI.

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