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    Well, I don't think anyone goes to law school in hopes of becoming a horrible prosecutor, sending innocent people to death row.
    Agreed, probably not. But there are certainly the overzealous types. (I say this as someone who still wants to be a deputy DA.)

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    Practicing law is so different from law school. I wish I had had a mentor then who could have told me how much I would hate doing tax law for the rich. That would have saved me a fucking fortune.
    I hear you. The practice of law works for me, especially litigation in general (currently family law and a limited amount of criminal defense - I would still rather be a prosecutor). I suppose you have been at it long enough to not want to switch fields?
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    I did a thread last year about a prosecutor who was in trouble for lying to a federal judge, I think, but fuck if I can recall the thread title.

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    Anyway, that person appeared to have a criminal charge in his future. Withheld Brady material and lied to the judge about it, because the defendant was innocent in fact.
    If he lied to the judge, there might be a crime in that, but I do not think so. Again, definitely bar discipline.

    The thing I cannot understand is such prosecutorial misconduct as withholding Brady material. I have not yet met a prosecutor who would (or did) do anything like that. I wonder where these people come from.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Agreed, probably not. But there are certainly the overzealous types. (I say this as someone who still wants to be a deputy DA.)


    I hear you. The practice of law works for me, especially litigation in general (currently family law and a limited amount of criminal defense - I would still rather be a prosecutor). I suppose you have been at it long enough to not want to switch fields?
    I'm retired. Any work I do now is strictly an office practice. I did A LOT of battered women's defense/divorce work over the years and ended up in the hospital because, at my age, I cannot physically handle the stress. I do a little here and there research, advice, planning, etc. Mostly for groups that agitate for causes that matter to me.

    I feel deeply about the access to courts denied to so many. Tenants who cannot navigate Housing Court. Prisoners who have no appeal rights due to a plea deal. Death row inmates whose convictions or sentences may be unsound.

    But I know if I try to work again, my body will rebel. So I give Legal Aid almost all my donation budget and try to maintain my Zen.

    I think it's fabulous you want to prosecute. Why aren't you? Are you planning to run for DA? Or did you want to be a US Atty?

    It's such a vital part of a good criminal justice system. I think you'd be fabulous at it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I think it's fabulous you want to prosecute. Why aren't you? Are you planning to run for DA? Or did you want to be a US Atty?
    I'm competing with kids half my age at this point. Running for DA is not practical for me, and I don't have any connections that could get me an AUSA position. (And with Trump in the WH, getting an appointment as a USA is a non-starter.)

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    It's such a vital part of a good criminal justice system. I think you'd be fabulous at it.
    Thanks. I think I would be, too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    I'm competing with kids half my age at this point. Running for DA is not practical for me, and I don't have any connections that could get me an AUSA position. (And with Trump in the WH, getting an appointment as a USA is a non-starter.)


    Thanks. I think I would be, too.
    Have you been introduced to your DA? Someone you know must know him. These are not generously paid positions, as I'm sure you know. The kids you are competitng with aren't likely to work as a prosecutor any longer than you would.

    Lobby for the job, is my advice. You don't ask, you don't get.

    Your state might also prosecute some crimes at the AG's office, or you might have a statewide prosecutor.

    Although that's a traveling position, hard on most family people.

    If I were guilty of a crime, I would trust you to be fair to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    The kids you are competitng with aren't likely to work as a prosecutor any longer than you would.
    And probably a good deal less. I mentioned something to that effect in my cover letters.

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    Your state might also prosecute some crimes at the AG's office....
    It does. Those positions pay substantially better than ADA positions, but require substantial prosecutorial experience, and are based out of the state capital (not the town I live in, which is rather larger), which requires commuting as well as traveling.

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    If I were guiltyvofva crime, I would trust you to be fair to me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    And probably a good deal less. I mentioned something to that effect in my cover letters.


    It does. Those positions pay substantially better than ADA positions, but require substantial prosecutorial experience, and are based out of the state capital (not the town I live in, which is rather larger), which requires commuting as well as traveling.


    Find way to be personally known by the DA, Ian. Hell, if nothing else, take a criminal case and fight that corner like Revolutionary War. You surely know about the Public Defender's conflict list? When they can't represent every defendant in a case, there's a list the judges use to appoint private lawyers at bargain basement rates.

    (Meanwhile, of course, donate to the DA's campaign funds. Not a lot; just enough so he or she feels you are a safe person to be political with.)

    Why prosecuting? All my peeps who do criminal law defend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    You surely know about the Public Defender's conflict list? When they can't represent every defendant in a case, there's a list the judges use to appoint private lawyers at bargain basement rates.
    My county (and most in my state) does not have a PD office. Rather, it has contracts with three defense firms. There is a conflicts list, but given that there are 3 firms, conflicts hardly ever happen. Same for both of the other counties in the metro area. I am on the list for one of the local municipal courts, but I haven't had a trial with one of those yet. I did, however, get a letter of recommendation from that city's prosecutor (who is also a defense attorney in private practice).

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Why prosecuting? All my peeps who do criminal law defend.
    More satisfying to build a case than tear one down. Also, I don't have to constantly try to get clients, with the state being the only "client."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    My county (and most in my state) does not have a PD office. Rather, it has contracts with three defense firms. There is a conflicts list, but given that there are 3 firms, conflicts hardly ever happen. Same for both of the other counties in the metro area. I am on the list for one of the local municipal courts, but I haven't had a trial with one of those yet. I did, however, get a letter of recommendation from that city's prosecutor (who is also a defense attorney in private practice).


    More satisfying to build a case than tear one down. Also, I don't have to constantly try to get clients, with the state being the only "client."
    Not to mention, most of the people arrested are guilty. That doesn't make for a happy lawyer, at my house. My friends doing defense work are strange though; they're cool with actually guilty clients.

    It's the innocent ones they get upset over.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    It's the innocent ones they get upset over.
    Sure, because they shouldn't even be in the system. But as you know, sometimes the issue is not whether a certain act was performed by the defendant, but rather whether that act constituted a crime.
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