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    Denmark plans double punishment for ghetto crime - BBC News

    I realize we cannot discuss Danish constitutional law, but they belong to the EU and thus, are bound by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. They are subject to the jurisdiction of the European Human Rights Commission. So, broadly described, they have a set of parameters for which behaviors the government may criminalize, how they may punish crimes, etc.

    And I can't see ANY of this shit passing muster. Dafuq is going on in Denmark? Is their government suddenly far right?

    What say you?
    * The population is more than 50% non-Western immigrant

    * More than 2.7% have criminal convictions

    * Unemployment is above 40%

    * More than 50% have only a basic education

    * Average gross income is less than 55% of the average for the region.

    Well, it seems that with all the hard times immigrants are having there, as per the list above... the "solution" is to make things even harder?

    Are they expecting immigrants to assimilate by singling them out and putting "special" laws in place?

    Yes, I thought the Danes were better than that.

    Smarter than that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thx1138 View Post
    * The population is more than 50% non-Western immigrant

    * More than 2.7% have criminal convictions

    * Unemployment is above 40%

    * More than 50% have only a basic education

    * Average gross income is less than 55% of the average for the region.

    Well, it seems that with all the hard times immigrants are having there, as per the list above... the "solution" is to make things even harder?

    Are they expecting immigrants to assimilate by singling them out and putting "special" laws in place?

    Yes, I thought the Danes were better than that.

    Smarter than that too.

    Thx
    Inorite? So WTF is happening to the Danish government? Why are they embracing these racist, fascist ideas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Inorite? So WTF is happening to the Danish government? Why are they embracing these racist, fascist ideas?
    They are going to learn the hard way I guess that measures like this are only going to exasperate the situation, there is no good end here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Denmark plans double punishment for ghetto crime - BBC News

    I realize we cannot discuss Danish constitutional law, but they belong to the EU and thus, are bound by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. They are subject to the jurisdiction of the European Human Rights Commission. So, broadly described, they have a set of parameters for which behaviors the government may criminalize, how they may punish crimes, etc.

    And I can't see ANY of this shit passing muster. Dafuq is going on in Denmark? Is their government suddenly far right?

    What say you?
    They want their country back. They destroyed it and now have second thoughts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    They want their country back. They destroyed it and now have second thoughts.
    And so the ends justify the means.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Denmark plans double punishment for ghetto crime - BBC News

    I realize we cannot discuss Danish constitutional law, but they belong to the EU and thus, are bound by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. They are subject to the jurisdiction of the European Human Rights Commission. So, broadly described, they have a set of parameters for which behaviors the government may criminalize, how they may punish crimes, etc.

    And I can't see ANY of this shit passing muster. Dafuq is going on in Denmark? Is their government suddenly far right?

    What say you?
    Itís based on locations already having a high rate of crime. They are addressing ways to reduce the rate by deterrent and locking away thieves longer making it less of a revolving door. A thief may not target a business in the area or a residence knowing if caught a sentence is doubled. I personally have no problem with it. Are you afraid it will increase crime in other neighbourhoods? You know neighbourhoods where people may have alarm systems, be home working or have a housekeeper or nanny or the homes are behind guarded gates? It just may do that which will force a broader view to address the problem further redefining what is a ghetto.

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    Quote Originally Posted by THOR View Post
    They want their country back. They destroyed it and now have second thoughts.
    Dafuq? When was Denmark destroyed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    It’s based on locations already having a high rate of crime. They are addressing ways to reduce the rate by deterrent and locking away thieves longer making it less of a revolving door. A thief may not target a business in the area or a residence knowing if caught a sentence is doubled. I personally have no problem with it. Are you afraid it will increase crime in other neighbourhoods? You know neighbourhoods where people may have alarm systems, be home working or have a housekeeper or nanny or the homes are behind guarded gates? It just may do that which will force a broader view to address the problem further redefining what is a ghetto.
    I object because the punishment for murder, say, cannot be LWOP if the death occurs in the South side, but only 8 to 25 if the death occurs in the Lakeshore area.

    It's not a permissible form of discrimination.

    You can increase the penalty for burglary of a private home compared to a vacant business, because there's a rational government goal of protecting life by deterring home invasions.

    But not different penalties for two private homes based only on the homes' locations in or out of a "high crime zone".

    Punishments for crimes cannot vary ONLY because of the probable wealth or poverty of the crime VICTIM.

    IMO, anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Dafuq? When was Denmark destroyed?
    The Danes are smarter than you think. This wasn’t tried in the west. They aren’t looking at the failed models of Western inner cities. They are looking for deterrents and at the same time rewarding businesses and residents that are law abiding by increasing the punishment of crimes against them. I don’t think there is anything wrong with that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I object because the punishment for murder, say, cannot be LWOP if the death occurs in the South side, but only 8 to 25 if the death occurs in the Lakeshore area.

    It's not a permissible form of discrimination.

    You can increase the penalty for burglary of a private home compared to a vacant business, because there's a rational government goal of protecting life by deterring home invasions.

    But not different penalties for two private homes based only on the homes' locations in or out of a "high crime zone".

    Punishments for crimes cannot vary ONLY because of the probable wealth or poverty of the crime VICTIM.

    IMO, anyway.

    The most vulnerable are protected more in this case.

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