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    Quote Originally Posted by The Man View Post
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    When you talk of making gangsters into 'loosers' and all that, that's great, that's amazing.

    You say it's only targeting criminals, of any background. Awesome.

    But you forget an important factor: human emotional reaction.

    People in many marginalized communities already have a very negative view of law enforcement, often with good reason. When I, personally, just arrived to Canada, having lived much of my childhood in Moscow, I had an instinctive... not fear, but, shall we say urge to avoid any police uniform. I saw a police car parked on the street, with cops sitting in it, and I would go way long around just to not be in their line of sight. Took months for my sister and other folks here to teach me that most Canadian police are good guys, generally, unlike back home, where most just abuse people and shake them down for bribes.

    You talk of gangsters, hell, in most working class towns and neighborhoods in Russia, people trust their mafia waaaaay more than their police. Yeah, the mob you will have to pay them too, but, they at least will actually solve your problem, unlike the cops...

    And you have people from various such fucked up societies, where law enforcement are feared and loathed, come to a place by like Denmark. They are already distrustful, again, of law enforcement.

    And now, you start this crackdown on them. Yes, on them, not some hypothetical white kid you mentioned. You know as well as I do this will be targeting primarily minority people from those hoods. What will those folks see? Police dragging their boys away to prison. Just like back home, more of the same shit.

    This will only alienate them further. Nobody will talk to the cops, report anything to them. Culture of silence, again, like back home.

    The cops will be seen as Invaders and occupying force, basically. And the gangbangers will be martyrs. Is that what you want?

    If you think in your country it is different, and that black people, for example, want police crackdowns on their neighborhoods, why the heck are there groups like BLM? With the reputation your police has among minority citizens, after decades of abuse of black people, etc, small wonder people don't want them there either...
    The Danes aren't known for shootings like Americans. The only ones taken away by the police will be the ones that can't answer what the hell they are doing say at 3AM on a side street 10 blocks from their home. The cops will talk and chat with the local kids, get to know them and all that. The kids aren't the old people at home drawing their curtains in the middle of the day. The old people aren't the ones causing the problems and neither are the mothers and fathers for that matter. It's the young, mostly boys the cops will get to know in each neighbourhood so when something isn't right the cops should be able to smell it out. Fear comes from the unknown but if the cops become common place, like the grocer or the mail man he or she won't be feared. I'm sure it will be the goal of the cops to actually get one or two of these young males to join the force in a few years, the ones with maybe a little attitude and a little brains. It does require however that they be either Danish nationals or in the process of applying for citizenship as only citizens are allowed to be employed as cops. It really goes a long way to get some of their own into the cop system, it becomes less of a them and us.

    http://www.huffingtonpost.ca/2015/09...n_8122604.html
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    The Danes aren't known for shootings like Americans. The only ones taken away by the police will be the ones that can't answer what the hell they are doing say at 3AM on a side street 10 blocks from their home. The cops will talk and chat with the local kids, get to know them and all that. The kids aren't the old people at home drawing their curtains in the middle of the day. The old people aren't the ones causing the problems and neither are the mothers and fathers for that matter. It's the young, mostly boys the cops will get to know in each neighbourhood so when something isn't right the cops should be able to smell it out. Fear comes from the unknown but if the cops become common place, like the grocer or the mail man he or she won't be feared. I'm sure it will be the goal of the cops to actually get one or two of these young males to join the force in a few years, the ones with maybe a little attitude and a little brains. It does require however that they be either Danish nationals or in the process of applying for citizenship as only citizens are allowed to be employed as cops. It really goes a long way to get some of their own into the cop system, it becomes less of a them and us.
    Fabulous, but that is not what this law proposes.

    At all.

    It proposes to double up on criminal sentences for immigrants who are convicted. That's the actual plan.

    Your ideas WOULD work, but they are very much the antithesis of the actual law described in the Op.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Fabulous, but that is not what this law proposes.

    At all.

    It proposes to double up on criminal sentences for immigrants who are convicted. That's the actual plan.

    Your ideas WOULD work, but they are very much the antithesis of the actual law described in the Op.
    LOL, you maybe should study how they deal with gangs in Denmark.They have expanded the approach to include these kids. The strategy is very much getting into the communities. They are called prevention officers.

    Link and Aarslev are crime prevention officers. They usually deal with locals who are drawn to right-wing extremism, or gangs. The landscape of global terrorism was completely new to them. But they decided to take it on. And once they did, they wound up creating an unusual — and unusually successful — approach to combating radicalization.

    https://www.thelocal.dk/20171205/den...gang-operation
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...away-from-isis

    Over 50 people have been detained as part of the police response to the gang shootings, which has included extra patrols and the implementation of stop-and-search zones in designated areas of the city.

    https://www.thelocal.dk/20171130/dan...rparken-murder

    PS: The Law is just one tool in a tool box the Danish people are using to combat problems. They looked to the West and discarded the shit that didn't work and came up with this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eve1 View Post
    LOL, you maybe should study how they deal with gangs in Denmark.They have expanded the approach to include these kids. The strategy is very much getting into the communities. They are called prevention officers.

    Link and Aarslev are crime prevention officers. They usually deal with locals who are drawn to right-wing extremism, or gangs. The landscape of global terrorism was completely new to them. But they decided to take it on. And once they did, they wound up creating an unusual — and unusually successful — approach to combating radicalization.

    https://www.thelocal.dk/20171205/den...gang-operation
    https://www.npr.org/sections/health-...away-from-isis

    PS: The Law is just one tool in a tool box the Danish people are using to combat problems. They looked to the West and discarded the shit that didn't work and came up with this.
    Fabulous. Good to know.

    Doesn't in any way render this proposed law humane, and in the U.S. it would not be constitutional.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Denmark plans double punishment for ghetto crime - BBC News

    I realize we cannot discuss Danish constitutional law, but they belong to the EU and thus, are bound by the Universal Declaration of Human Rights. They are subject to the jurisdiction of the European Human Rights Commission. So, broadly described, they have a set of parameters for which behaviors the government may criminalize, how they may punish crimes, etc.

    And I can't see ANY of this shit passing muster. Dafuq is going on in Denmark? Is their government suddenly far right?

    What say you?
    Its a stupid solution to ending ghettos, you have to deal with economy for the group if you want to end ghetto's, its a an economic one....poverty comes with many negative consequences, so you tackle to core driving force, not the symptoms...cure the disease is the only real solution.

    The solution in the OP is just racist and will inflame communities which will only increase negative consequences, it wont help anything, just cause more harm.
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    Seems to me that it may not be a good idea because of a potential unintended consequence. Due to the application of less punishment, the criminal element may just move their activities to areas not defined as a ghetto. I suspect that would go over like a fart in church. Then again, maybe its not unintentional, its a means to show those not living in a ghetto what its like dealing with such crime.
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    Good luck with having allowed the camel's nose under the tent. Deportation is the only real solution.

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    How could anyone accept this policy owing to its lack of equity? It's rather sad that the Danes are even considering such a radical proposal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kallie Knoetze View Post
    Ms. Madeline,

    Maybe they are getting sick of immigrants destroying their country.
    People here want to do the same to us as Europe did to itself.

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    Quote Originally Posted by excalibur View Post
    Good luck with having allowed the camel's nose under the tent. Deportation is the only real solution.
    To battlefields?

    This is a serious suggestion?

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