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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So basically, and this has always been your stance, is that you want to convict no one because one person might be innocent.

    Sorry but a society can't operate that way.

    There will never be a perfect system.
    That has never been Madeline's expressed stance, nor that of any other sane person.

    However, Sir William Blackstone's statement in his Commentaries on the Laws of England are a guide to the jurisprudence of the UK and her Commonwealth, and should be adopted by any civilised nation, it reads thus -

    "It is better that ten guilty escape than one innocent suffer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So basically, and this has always been your stance, is that you want to convict no one because one person might be innocent.

    Sorry but a society can't operate that way.

    There will never be a perfect system.
    You seem surprised by the fact that Madeline sides with criminals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    My mate's dad has a boxed set of the full 'Rumpole of the Bailey' episodes on DVD, and I think I have seen them all. It was a brilliantly cast and acted series - and I thought Hilda Rumpole was totally brillo pads also. As were many of the people in his chambers. It was as much a comment on British society of the time, as it was upon legal practice. I'm afraid I don't know about Perry Mason, so I can't make the comparison.
    Each episode of "Perry Mason" stands up alone, although they are more fun to watch in order. American YouTube has dozens of episodes for free; might could be British YouTube (Australian?) does as well.

    It's not yet available on any Roku channel. This show, and another called "Columbo" are just not yet/ever streamed, though both are sold as DVDs, I think.

    ("Columbo" was about a shabby, shambling, obsequious detective whom killers always rued having underestimated.)

    Amirite, @Sassy?

    @Leo2....surely you have seen a few episodes of "Twilight Zone"?

    Hosted and occasionally written by actual sci fi novelist, Rod Serling. Some episodes are campy, but many are "knock you out cold" mind-blowing. Serling was my brother's childhood hero.

    Fabulous theme music!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    That has never been Madeline's expressed stance, nor that of any other sane person.

    However, Sir William Blackstone's statement in his Commentaries on the Laws of England are a guide to the jurisprudence of the UK and her Commonwealth, and should be adopted by any civilised nation, it reads thus -

    "It is better that ten guilty escape than one innocent suffer.
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    I'm not quite this high-minded, but the Pradys had two daughters, still in school when their mother died.

    First their parents divorced, then Daddy is arrested & convicted for her murder, then DNA evidence is developed that proves Daddy is innocent, then the courts and DA still won't release him from prison.

    Those women have suffered the miseries of the damned, IMO. They have no idea who raped and killed their mom, and for all they know, it was someone the family knew, or at least has seen often. Imagine wondering if every man you see is the murderer of someone you love, for your whole adult life. In church. On the bus. At work. At family reunions.

    Could you bring yourself to make a life, condemned to such hopelessness as to justice? IDK whether I could.

    And ALL because the trial judge admitted PROVEN false evidence that Prady bit Margo on the breast.

    It did not bear thinking, what this case has done to the children, who were so precious to both parents.

    Two more points: Prady was offered a deal before trial and refused it. He could not confess to a crime he didn't commit, was his position.

    But if he had, and ALL the other facts remained the same, he would almost certainly NEVER get out, unless the governor commuted his sentence, or pardoned him.

    And... .

    No government employee in this case has personal liability for doing her job so terribly and cruelly. Their employers will have liability to Prady, if he is ever released, but not that bad DA in Summit County. HER house is not on the line when she "malpractices".

    And, Ohio parole boards will not release convicted murderers on parole if they deny guilt. Prady has the keys to his cell door and won't use them to get out, because he will not admit to murdering his ex wife.

    And Prady's rights have been vigorously defended all through this process. Most prisoners who are actually innocent don't even have a defense lawyer, post-conviction.
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    Ohio's criminal justice system sucks, on this issue of crappy scientific evidence at trial. At least two men were sentenced to death in arson-murders that were never proven to have been deliberately set, in the view of leading fire scientists.

    One at least has already been executed. Kadisch absolutely showed moral cowardice in failing to commute these sentences or pardon these men.

    Google says, there are so many of these cases around the country, it's hard to find the ones I wanted.

    Le' sigh.

    Anyway, yes, the "type of scientific evidence generally accepted by scientists in that field" standard judges are meant to apply, under Frye v. U.S., are actually rancid bullshit IRL.

    Courts admit evidence of "scientific" findings routinely, decades after their efficacy is proven to be dicey. It's like convicting people on the strength of evidence from a "expert" psychic and palm reader.

    Scientists, defense lawyers, victims' rights advocates, etc. all have been clamoring loudly in recent years for reform.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Leo2 View Post
    That has never been Madeline's expressed stance, nor that of any other sane person.

    However, Sir William Blackstone's statement in his Commentaries on the Laws of England are a guide to the jurisprudence of the UK and her Commonwealth, and should be adopted by any civilised nation, it reads thus -

    "It is better that ten guilty escape than one innocent suffer.
    "
    https://lonang.com/library/reference...gland/bla-427/

    Also: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blacks...ts_in_politics
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    So basically, and this has always been your stance, is that you want to convict no one because one person might be innocent.
    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    You seem surprised by the fact that Madeline sides with criminals.
    Oh, grow up, both of you. No surprise that you both advocate punishing innocent people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    @Leo2....surely you have seen a few episodes of "Twilight Zone"?

    Hosted and occasionally written by actual sci fi novelist, Rod Serling. Some episodes are campy, but many are "knock you out cold" mind-blowing. Serling was my brother's childhood hero.

    Fabulous theme music!
    Indeed. Most of it (excepting season 4) is available on NetFlix. Same on Amazon Prime, though you can buy season 4 (not Prime eligible). I don't know why that is ... weird.
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    Lol. Jurisprudentially, I'm suspended between Blackstone and Pol pot!

    There's a position I don't often find myself in.

    Lololol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Indeed. Most of it (excepting season 4) is available on NetFlix. Same on Amazon Prime, though you can buy season 4 (not Prime eligible). I don't know why that is ... weird.
    I'm confident my brother doesn't know this. Fabulous time to retire, he chose.

    Now, to find someone streaming "Columbo"....eventually, they will.

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