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    BTW, folks, Douglas Prady is the poster boy for why you never talk to the police, other than to say "I want my lawyer".

    I very much doubt personal animus drove his colleagues, etc. to frame Prady for a crime he did not commit, but he may not have helped himself as much as he should have.

    They also used testimony from "jailhouse snitches", who claimed Prady confessed to them while in jail, before trial. IMO, such testimony should be inadmissible, period, against ANY defendant.

    But please. Train your children before they fly the coop. White, black, whatevs.....young adults need to be capable of protecting themselves if the police begin to take a serious interest in them.

    Innocent people in America have a great deal to fear from the police and the criminal justice system, in some great numbers of very sad cases.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    BTW, folks, Final Prady is the poster boy for why you never talk to the police, other than to say "I want my lawyer".
    Correct. The lawyer can determine which questions should be answered and which should not.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    I doubt personal animus drive these cops, etc. to frame him for a crime he did not commit, but he may not have helped himself as much as he should have.
    Not personal animus. But often LEOs will decide they think they know who did it, and so will seek to retroactively justify that opinion rather than seeking the truth, that being somewhat easier than actually doing some work.

    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    They also used testimony from "jailhouse snitches", who claimed Prady confessed to them before trial. IMO, such testimony should be inadmissible, period, against any defendant.
    If the defendant makes a statement to anyone, it is absolutely admissible, and should be. He has the right to not say things, and fails to exercise that right at his own peril. The question with the jailhouse snitches is whether they got anything in return for their respective testimonies, which could undermine their credibility.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    Oh, grow up, both of you. No surprise that you both advocate punishing innocent people.
    Just pointing out the facts. The posts show that Madeline will be on the side of the person charged or convicted every time UNLESS that person is a law enforcement officer. Then she will demand that they be incarcerated forever, even if they aren't convicted. I still remember all the posts over the posts from her in the Tamir Rice threads.

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    Theater, presentation, and drama are a big part of criminal courtroom activities. Flailing arms, rolling eyes, raised voices.

    And occasionally the Judge gets pissed off, slams his gavel and sez: "Cut the crap, counselor!! Or i'll hold you in contempt!!".



    Don't any of you watch lawyer shows on television?? (Dumb thread....)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Just pointing out the facts.
    No, you are not. You are attacking the poster rather than the post.

    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    The posts show that Madeline will be on the side of the person charged or convicted every time UNLESS that person is a law enforcement officer.
    Madeline is on the side of law and justice, not hatred and vengeance as you are.
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    Quote Originally Posted by pragmatic View Post
    Don't any of you watch lawyer shows on television?? (Dumb thread....)
    I do. I usually have a conversation with the screen saying "that's stupid!"

    Of course, I also watch real life lawyers. While in some states a show for the jury is expected (probably keeps them awake), in my state that is not how it is done. In my opinion and experience, that stuff can sometimes obscure the point to be made. In one trial I'm thinking of, the prosecutor did a little bit of a show at the closing argument, and I played it straight and made it conversational. (Yes, I won.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    You seem surprised by the fact that Madeline sides with criminals.
    Reported. It's hard to imagine a worse insult.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Southern Dad View Post
    Just pointing out the facts. The posts show that Madeline will be on the side of the person charged or convicted every time UNLESS that person is a law enforcement officer. Then she will demand that they be incarcerated forever, even if they aren't convicted. I still remember all the posts over the posts from her in the Tamir Rice threads.
    Two things; first, when the criminal justice system ACTUALLY produces justice, there's not a lot to discuss.

    Second, a child was murdered by the police in my city ON CCTV, and the PTB are hysterically, reflexively trying to protect his killer from the consequences of THE KILLER's criminal acts.

    Defenses such as "Tamir looked like an adult", "that park is a known gang hangout", and "Tamir should have known better".

    So, I endured a horrific loss, then watched too many of my fellow citizens get their racism on to defend the homicidal cop, AND when his family pursued the ONLY justice available, the majority of citizens fell silent.

    Millions in damages for wrongful death, BUT NO ARREST and TRIAL for murder.

    A settlement the city budgeted for the previous year! That their lawyers strongarmed Samira Rice and her family into accepting.

    THEN, some troglodytes here in Cleveland started ranting that Samira Rice had never loved her son, and was happy he was killed. As if she liquidated an otherwise worthless asset, and gotten a jackpot she did not deserve.

    I have such rage about this case, it has made me physically ill at times. It'll never, ever stop hurting unless the murderers have to stand trial, along with their accomplices after the fact.

    I live check to jowl with MILLIONS of people who have a psychotic level of racism going on.

    That was disappointing news.

    I was told by PHers who defended these murderers that it was not appropriate for me to "take this case so personally". I wonder WTF community they live in, that a murdered neighbor child would be of no interest to them.

    Sometimes, I think half this country needs electric shock therapy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ian Jeffrey View Post
    No, you are not. You are attacking the poster rather than the post.

    Madeline is on the side of law and justice, not hatred and vengeance as you are.
    Really? You must have forgotten the posts she threw out about the officers in the Tamir Rice case and you must have forgotten the ones where she came out talking how that CONFESSED murderer was innocent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    Reported. It's hard to imagine a worse insult.
    I call it like I see it. Your posts side with the criminals time and time again, of course, now that a member of council has stated that I am attacking the poster, this will get interesting. Isn't that sort of like the President calling someone a traitor before the trial?

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