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    3,200 Puerto Rican Prisoners Moved to Arizona

    http://https://www.theguardian.com/w...risons-inmates

    Doesn't this violate the 5th, 8th, 13th and 14th amendments?

    These people are predominately from Puerto Rico and so are their lawyers, friends and families. This move virtually eliminates their access.

    Your thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    http://https://www.theguardian.com/w...risons-inmates

    Doesn't this violate the 5th, 8th, 13th and 14th amendments?

    These people are predominately from Puerto Rico and so are their lawyers, friends and families. This move virtually eliminates their access.

    Your thoughts?

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    I think the reason they are being moved is because PR is a complete basket case.

    I don;t think the state can support the infrastructure needed to keep the inmates safe.

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    This is not necessary. It's an austerity measure and prisoners will be in a private prison in Arizona.

    Twice before, Puerto Rico has moved prisoners, once to Minnesota and once to Oklahoma. Both plans were failures and prisoners returned.

    I smell corruption.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DebateDrone View Post
    I think the reason they are being moved is because PR is a complete basket case.

    I don;t think the state can support the infrastructure needed to keep the inmates safe.
    Inmate safety is a concern, sure. Gangs are more powerful there than on the mainland, and prisoners can vote. The largest prison gang has strong ties to the Independence for Puerto Rico movement.

    But....these people will be just as dangerous in Arizona. More so, due to deprivation and the inadequate facility proposed to be used.

    None of which matters if the constitution prohibits this move.

    And if Puerto Rico can dump prisoners on Arizona, why not any U.S. state? Why not shutter New York prisons and move the people to private prisons in Mississippi?

    This cannot be allowed, IMO.

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    does anyone know why they were moved or are we just going to speculate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Madeline View Post
    This is not necessary. It's an austerity measure and prisoners will be in a private prison in Arizona.

    Twice before, Puerto Rico has moved prisoners, once to Minnesota and once to Oklahoma. Both plans were failures and prisoners returned.

    I smell corruption.
    People of color being used to make profits for private prison companies, its the American way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Puzzling Evidence View Post
    does anyone know why they were moved or are we just going to speculate?
    Puerto Rico is in extreme financial distress, and it's unclear whether the government there can go bankrupt. It's abundantly clear bankruptcy would threaten the solvency of investors, which include some large government pension plans in other states.

    Such damage could push cities and counties in the U.S., in some cases, to go bankrupt in a nightmarish domino effect.

    This all predates Hurricane Marie, which did no appreciable damage to the prisons.

    The government in Puerto Rico is struggling to find cuts in current spending deep enough to make it possible for the debt to continue to be serviced. It's a snipe hunt; Puerto Rico's finances and economy are almost as bad as Greece's.

    Anyway, if it costs $100 a year to keep the prisoners now in Puerto Rico and $50 a year in Arizona (completely made up numbers), then the government stands to save 3,200 times $50.

    But lawsuits against the government following the moves to Minnesota and Oklahoma meant the government lost money. It's hard to believe the results will be different this time.

    And....this seems unconstitutional to me.

    What next, FFS? Are we going to send prisoners to Devil's Island (off the African coast)?
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