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    I'm a Constitutionalist, any party that adheres closest to the original writings will probably get my vote. However, if I see my vote will help the party furthest away from the writings they will not get my vote.

    It would've been nice to have "Constitutionalist" as a choice when signing up.


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    There is no such thing as a constitutionalist. The constitution was intentionally designed to grow and change with every generation.

    When was the last time the constitution did its job of protecting the people from government?

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiadecks View Post
    I'm a Constitutionalist, any party that adheres closest to the original writings will probably get my vote. However, if I see my vote will help the party furthest away from the writings they will not get my vote.

    It would've been nice to have "Constitutionalist" as a choice when signing up.


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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
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    There is no such thing as a constitutionalist. The constitution was intentionally designed to grow and change with every generation.

    When was the last time the constitution did its job of protecting the people from government?


    The constitution can only be legally changed per the constitution. It is not intended to be changed to whatever political party has the power at the time. Wtf even have one if it has no intended meaning? You are wrong saying there's no such thing as a constitutionalist. I just invented it. Thanks for playing!

    Just because those in power trample on our freedoms doesn't make it legal! I mean slavery was allowed at one time, didn't make it legal. That was proven. I could go on and on with how the men in power got it wrong.


    Here's the only thing the feds are allowed to spend money on or control. EVERYTHING else is to be done by the state's our local government. PERIOD!


    The Constitution’s articles, and the subsequent Amendments, specify the prerogatives of the Feds. They are listed in Article I, Sec. 8; Articles II-V; Amendments XIII-XVI, XIX-XX, XXIII-XXVI. These prerogatives belong to one of the following categories:

    1) Defense, war prosecution, peace, foreign relations, foreign commerce, and interstate commerce;

    2) The protection of citizens’ constitutional rights (e.g the right to vote) and ensuring that slavery remains illegal;

    3) Establishing federal courts inferior to the SCOTUS;

    4) Copyright protection;

    5) Coining money;

    6) Establishing post offices and post roads;

    7) Establishing a national set of universal weights and measures;

    8 ) Taxation needed to raise revenue to perform these essential functions.

    Those are the only prerogatives of the Feds. The Tenth Amendment states that all prerogatives not explicitly given to the Federal Government, nor prohibited of the states, are reserved to the states or to the people (i.e. individual Americans). So the Feds are not allowed to handle any issues not explicitly listed in the Constitution; their prerogatives are limited to what the Constitution explicitly states.

    James Madison, the principal original author of that document’s original text who also wrote the first 10 Amendments, wrote in the Federalist Papers that “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.”

    – Federalist Paper #45, paragraph #9.



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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
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    There is no such thing as a constitutionalist. The constitution was intentionally designed to grow and change with every generation.

    When was the last time the constitution did its job of protecting the people from government?
    They need a more snappy name...like the 3/5th-ers.


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    Anyone that claims the constitution can be "adjusted" is really saying it's in the way of their agenda.

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    Quote Originally Posted by californiadecks View Post
    The constitution can only be legally changed per the constitution. It is not intended to be changed to whatever political party has the power at the time. Wtf even have one if it has no intended meaning? You are wrong saying there's no such thing as a constitutionalist. I just invented it. Thanks for playing!

    Just because those in power trample on our freedoms doesn't make it legal! I mean slavery was allowed at one time, didn't make it legal. That was proven. I could go on and on with how the men in power got it wrong.


    Here's the only thing the feds are allowed to spend money on or control. EVERYTHING else is to be done by the state's our local government. PERIOD!


    The Constitution’s articles, and the subsequent Amendments, specify the prerogatives of the Feds. They are listed in Article I, Sec. 8; Articles II-V; Amendments XIII-XVI, XIX-XX, XXIII-XXVI. These prerogatives belong to one of the following categories:

    1) Defense, war prosecution, peace, foreign relations, foreign commerce, and interstate commerce;

    2) The protection of citizens’ constitutional rights (e.g the right to vote) and ensuring that slavery remains illegal;

    3) Establishing federal courts inferior to the SCOTUS;

    4) Copyright protection;

    5) Coining money;

    6) Establishing post offices and post roads;

    7) Establishing a national set of universal weights and measures;

    8 ) Taxation needed to raise revenue to perform these essential functions.

    Those are the only prerogatives of the Feds. The Tenth Amendment states that all prerogatives not explicitly given to the Federal Government, nor prohibited of the states, are reserved to the states or to the people (i.e. individual Americans). So the Feds are not allowed to handle any issues not explicitly listed in the Constitution; their prerogatives are limited to what the Constitution explicitly states.

    James Madison, the principal original author of that document’s original text who also wrote the first 10 Amendments, wrote in the Federalist Papers that “The powers delegated by the proposed Constitution to the federal government are few and defined. Those which are to remain in the State governments are numerous and indefinite.”

    – Federalist Paper #45, paragraph #9.



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    Wait a second: Earlier you said "any party that adheres closest to the original writings will probably get my vote," yet your point numbered two says, "The protection of citizens’ constitutional rights (e.g the right to vote) and ensuring that slavery remains illegal;"

    Those two points seem to be at odds.

    Perhaps you should start a thread on the subject in the forum at large since this sub-forum is a poor place to argue our Constitution.

    Looking forward to debate should you decide to follow through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by californiadecks View Post
    Anyone that claims the constitution can be "adjusted" is really saying it's in the way of their agenda.

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    It can be adjusted. For example, in the original there was no injunction against slavery, yet our Constitution was adjusted to reflect a repudiation of slavery.

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