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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDozer View Post
    New user here dropping into the hellish landscape of online politics.


    Sidenote: I didn't think of it until after the fact, but my username actually has nothing to do with political leanings. It's a battle tag I've used for some time that I gained during an inebriated bout of group gaming, specifically Towerfall.

    Politically, I refer to myself as a reform socialist. I have little interest in revolutionary politics in practice, only theory. I want to see socialism emerge gradually through the slow erosion of capitalism into a new system. I see this as an inevitable, and indeed desirable outcome of mass automation, and the slow obsolescence of human labor through AI.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KnotaFrayed View Post
    Howdy and welcome.......

    I'm a bit more of a balance as needed kinda human bean.....Not all for or all against much of anything, but people beating on and killing one another or trampling one another's rights without realizing some sort of compromise is in order. As things change, due to all sorts of factors, I like to see balances adjusted to fit the era/period and its conditions.

    Mostly, I think one of the most important things humans can do to try to get along/live side by side in peace, is consideration of one another. Just consider/think of, the gal or guy sitting next to you, as you. Aside from our personal tastes, we all appear to have basic needs that are similar, including what we would like others to do to us, good or bad. For the most part, if we don't like people kicking us in the shins, it probably is a good bet, they don't like it either, so it's something we should avoid doing to them, if we don't want them to do it, to us.

    Always thought the founders of this nation were looking for a balance, too, of government (socialism?) and individual freedoms.....seeing government as the counterbalance to individuals or groups of individuals with too much power and influence, that would otherwise, go unchecked, were it not for a government that represented society. I think there is also a place for government in doing some things better than done privately/for profit.

    Money, when misused and for undue influence as well as a lure for people to do dishonest and bad things, (when attached to greed and an addiction to gluttony) truly can be called the root of all evil in attempts to maintain a free society. When used to help those truly in need and to give a leg up for those who otherwise would not have equal opportunities as others, money can be a very good thing. We all just need a standard by which to identify and call out misuse and abuse of money and any power that comes with money, when used in the evil, rather than good ways.

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    I tend to agree with that, however socialism isn't just the government doing things. That's a common misconception. Nationalization of specific industries can be an aspect of a socialist programme, but at its core, socialism is an economic system characterized by the collective/cooperative/democratic control of the means of production. So, a worker cooperative is a socialist institution, a CSA that some may get produce from is a socialist institution, and yes, public services and utilities paid for collectively are part of that, but it's primary goal is taking a hierarchical, vertical system of economics and making it into a cooperative, horizontal model.

    Obviously, this requires the material conditions to be such that this sort of system can emerge. This is why I diverge from revolutionary socialism. I do not believe you can establish socialism through short-term upheaval. It has to emerge gradually. Capitalism, itself, emerged slowly and eroded feudalism away. Socialism will have to do the same thing.

    This is why I'm not opposed to a fairly broad range of political policy from the Centre to the Left. I understand the nuances of voters, and I understand the need for coalitions. I'm a socialist in the way that John Stuart Mill was a socialist. He recognized that socialism was the logical, and desirable endgame of capitalism, but that the phase of liberal capitalism was necessary and needed to run its course. Because of this, worker cooperatives are at the top of my list of institutions to support, and I want better policy to make establishing them easier. Also, more unionization, and better protection for unionization. Free trade with developed states, but better scrutinized fair trade agreements when it comes to states that don't have an acceptable level of labor protection.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlueDozer View Post
    New user here dropping into the hellish landscape of online politics.


    Sidenote: I didn't think of it until after the fact, but my username actually has nothing to do with political leanings. It's a battle tag I've used for some time that I gained during an inebriated bout of group gaming, specifically Towerfall.

    Politically, I refer to myself as a reform socialist. I have little interest in revolutionary politics in practice, only theory. I want to see socialism emerge gradually through the slow erosion of capitalism into a new system. I see this as an inevitable, and indeed desirable outcome of mass automation, and the slow obsolescence of human labor through AI.
    Anyone who engages in "inebriated group gaming" is fine by me.

    And on the issue of human labor becoming obsolete, I actually saw someone on CNBC mention the idea of a guaranteed income to replace all these jobs that will be lost. Of course CNBC pretty much spends all day talking about the coming glory of self driving cars.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Blueneck View Post
    Anyone who engages in "inebriated group gaming" is fine by me.

    And on the issue of human labor becoming obsolete, I actually saw someone on CNBC mention the idea of a guaranteed income to replace all these jobs that will be lost. Of course CNBC pretty much spends all day talking about the coming glory of self driving cars.
    I don't know about you, but self-driving cars are part of my Fully Automated Luxury Space Communism.

    A guaranteed basic income is definitely something we need to help with the transition to our inevitable post-capitalist future. Without it, we risk the fabric of society being torn apart as automation exponentially increases supply while job losses decrease demand (and increase social volatility). It's one part, but not the only solution. We'll need the expansion of worker cooperatives, as well as decentralized and democratic operation of utilities, including Internet access. I fully support the efforts of some counties and municipalities in establishing public Internet services, as an example.

    And like in a previous post, expanding concepts like CSAs, making them urban, hydroponic, aquaponic, automated, etc.
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