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    Howdy. And welcome. I bet you get a lot of northern light nowadays.
    Northern lights are based on Sun spot activity, as you probably know. The Sun was going through a quiet phase when I came to Finland, 15 years ago, but now it's pretty active again. I saw the the Northern Lights during the last winter. We don't get them that often in the south around Helsinki, but they do happen occasionally - you just have to be luck enough to be outside or looking through a window to notice them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    What's the current tax rate in Finland?

    You are willing to pay for your safety nets and let the government tell you what they are or would you rather keep your money and build your own safety net?

    Welcome aboard.
    Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society. You may have a problem with that, but most intelligent people feel it's worth the cost.
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    Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society. You may have a problem with that, but most intelligent people feel it's worth the cost.
    How many taxes?

    Good thing our founders didn't have your mindset or you would be kneeling before a king today.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    As a professional economist, I'm impressed. I'm also curious: How you did manage to go from Wales in the UK to Finland? When was that move made in your life and, if I may ask, why?
    Hi LeRoy - I really appreciate your feedback. I'm not an academic, but as an editor of academic work, some of it rubs off. Plus, I get to see an awful lot of information passing my window. And like you, I'm curious about most of it.

    The route to Finland was basically a hop, a skip and a jump - a hop from Wales to the Isle of Man at the age of 12, when my parents and grandparents made a disastrous investment in a small guest house. The positive though was landing on a beautiful island!!

    The skip was going back to the UK at the age of 26 to study a degree in communications and biological sciences, mainly because the Isle of Man does not have a university of its own.

    The jump was when me and my Finnish partner in London decided that Finland was a better place to bring up a child than London, where we had no ties at all. Prior to that, I'd got a place to study further at LSE, but couldn't get the funding for the rather expensive fees. Being an immigrant has meant my academic career went on hold, and I was first teaching English, of which I had experience and qualifications from my time in London working with refugees, and then later on to academic editing in the health and social welfare field.

    What took you into economics, if I may ask, and what kinds of questions interest you these days in the main?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    How many taxes?

    Good thing our founders didn't have your mindset or you would be kneeling before a king today.
    Hey Spooky - quick question. Is the issue of how much tax to pay an abstract one for you - i.e. who is better at managing money, individuals or government? Or is it specific - that you agree with taxes, but you have specific ideas about what levels of tax different actors should pay and to whom? Or are you concerned with redistributions of tax money, rather than other government expenditure?

    Oh, and it would be kneeling before a Queen, if you haven't been following the British monarchy for the last 60 years.
    Last edited by NorthernLight; 12th August 2017 at 01:44 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLight View Post
    Hi LeRoy - I really appreciate your feedback. I'm not an academic, but as an editor of academic work, some of it rubs off. Plus, I get to see an awful lot of information passing my window. And like you, I'm curious about most of it.

    The route to Finland was basically a hop, a skip and a jump - a hop from Wales to the Isle of Man at the age of 12, when my parents and grandparents made a disastrous investment in a small guest house. The positive though was landing on a beautiful island!!

    The skip was going back to the UK at the age of 26 to study a degree in communications and biological sciences, mainly because the Isle of Man does not have a university of its own.

    The jump was when me and my Finnish partner in London decided that Finland was a better place to bring up a child than London, where we had no ties at all. Prior to that, I'd got a place to study further at LSE, but couldn't get the funding for the rather expensive fees. Being an immigrant has meant my academic career went on hold, and I was first teaching English, of which I had experience and qualifications from my time in London working with refugees, and then later on to academic editing in the health and social welfare field.

    What took you into economics, if I may ask, and what kinds of questions interest you these days in the main?
    Neither is he.

    He's making it up.

    He's never been to college but he plays one on TV.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLight View Post
    Hey Spooky - quick question. Is the issue of how much tax to pay an abstract one for you - i.e. who is better at managing money, individuals or government? Or is it specific - that you agree with taxes, but you have specific ideas about what levels of tax different actors should pay and to whom? Or are you concerned with redistributions of tax money, rather than other government expenditure?
    Up to you where you want to take it, its just a simple discussion.

    My issue of course, as most of us on the right have, is how many taxes to pay. Of course some are necessary but hell if we go 100% then the government would pay for everything.

    That's been tried you know.

    So how much should an individual pay before we get into tyranny?

    Before an individual loses their independence?

    Should we tax the rich more than the poor?

    Isn't that defining our nation by groups and isn't that the basis for discrimination in the world?

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    Quote Originally Posted by chaos View Post
    Welcome, Marc
    Can you see Russia from your house?
    You just proved Old Gaffer right about too qualified.

    But this old soul read the last post and it made her think about all the wasted energy being used by all of us.

    Even my phone tells me to unplug the charger to save energy. How many useless objects do each of us have in our houses? Plus big screen tV's we never turn off?

    Northern Lights is far from too qualified. Instead he brings a breath of fresh perspective to the board. I have read some really good,interesting subjects here. I am very concerned about global warming,what we can do to make our country work. How can we improve our lives for the next generations.

    Now,if everyone would quit feeding the trolls, cluttering up the board,wouldn't that be great?
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLight View Post
    Northern lights are based on Sun spot activity, as you probably know. The Sun was going through a quiet phase when I came to Finland, 15 years ago, but now it's pretty active again. I saw the the Northern Lights during the last winter. We don't get them that often in the south around Helsinki, but they do happen occasionally - you just have to be luck enough to be outside or looking through a window to notice them.
    I remember seeing the Northern Lights here in Ohio when I was a small child. Middle America. Scared me to death. Many of the adults were scared,too. �� how times change.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BigLeRoy View Post
    Hi, NL guy. You will find plenty of conservative Social Darwinists here who don't think society should have ANY 'safety net', not in any way, shape, manner, or form. If people can't 'hack it', can't 'cut the mustard', can't take care of themselves, then screw 'em! Social safety nets are just plain EVIL! If people starve to death, even in the midst of a rich society, then that's just natural selection at work. Best not to interfere with such a natural process.

    Ironically enough, those SAME people are often howling to get alla that Darwan ape-man monkee bizness noncents outta are skools!

    I don't think you have to deal with those kind of knuckleheads in Finland.

    Lucky you!!
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    Taxes are the price we pay for a civilized society. You may have a problem with that, but most intelligent people feel it's worth the cost.
    Taxes are not too high in this country. The distribution,loopholes and other things are the major problems. They are totally out of balance.

    I am watching public TV right now. Seeing the modern,all electric, clean trains. We need to encourage the inventers,Designers,Engineers that plan for the future. We also need huge training programs for those whose work is phased out,as Northern Lights posted.

    Observing what is happening today as I have often posted about. The emphasis on Math,Engineereing and the enthusiastic minds I see in our High Schools, Vocational Schools, Community Colleges are amazing. That is why I am not so pessimistic as many.

    Spooky has a narrow minded vision for one who is well educated. Concentrating on his right wing version of taxes are too damn high. As are many on the right.
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