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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLight View Post
    Thanks all for the greetings - I like the place already!

    Just as a general note, I'm not here to defend Finland specifically, since Finland is full of people from the full spectrum of politics. Where I think people might have a misconception about Finland or misrepresent what a 'social welfare society' actually is, I'll endeavour to clarify. Clarifying the Finnish system doesn't mean I agree with how things are necessarily set up here.

    Also, while I have lots of opinions about politics, I'm also here to get a clearer idea about other people's views. I hope that people don't therefore take the view that 'he's a leftie' and therefore all discussion becomes generic. I'm not here to defend someone else's politics (i.e. leftist parties or candidates), since I'm not a member of any political party. I'm here to find out about YOUR politics and so I'm more interested to hear how people connect their politics to their own experiences. My own experience is of growing up in deep poverty in rural Wales, UK. That necessarily puts a focus for me on social mobility and how it works, as well as on intergenerational poverty and its dynamics, and economic systems in general.

    I'm assuming that most people have areas of their lives that really inform their politics much more strongly than newspaper headlines or campaign slogans and talking points. And that experience and personal reflection I respect greatly, regardless of the political affiliation a person has.

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    NL
    This is all fine & well and welcome to PH but I'd ask you to bear in mind that we have a number of emotionally unstable members so to take full advantage of what we have to offer a generous sense of humor is paramount

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparta View Post
    This is all fine & well and welcome to PH but I'd ask you to bear in mind that we have a number of emotionally unstable members so to take full advantage of what we have to offer a generous sense of humor is paramount
    Sounds like good advice!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    How many taxes?

    Good thing our founders didn't have your mindset or you would be kneeling before a king today.
    They weren't opposed to taxes in general. They were opposed to some particular taxes Britain was attempting to impose on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    They weren't opposed to taxes in general. They were opposed to some particular taxes Britain was attempting to impose on them.
    Some Americans feel that they are being taxed without adequate representation....after all, there are liberals in some political positions...and that negates their instinct to have a one party system.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NorthernLight View Post
    Kiitos DemoWhip! Iloinen, että olen täällä! Mä oon suomessa asuva Britti mies, joten suomeani ei ole paras. Kiitos tervetulleista!

    Found the other person from Finland
    Iloinen, että olet täällä! Joten olet British? Se on upeaa. Olen amerikkalainen.

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    Welcome Northern Light,

    Hope you enjoy the interaction here at PH - can get feisty at times, but just roll with it.

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    You are new at PH and you already gave contributiond which expressed the deep of some of the issues raised her. What I feel difficult when I post on PH comes from the difference of backgrounds you find. You have many people focusing on a stiff vision of the USA and rather ignorant of what is happening in other places. In Europe they would shut their mouths, here not. You have also people with a global vision and who do not need to rely on idées reçues or myths. And from the mix between stereotypes and open thinking what do you get ? Often little because no one whatever good arguments are made, is ready to change his mind... But also new ways of thinking. It is exactly how the USA look when you visit them, you have at all time one thing and its contrary simultaneously as if time and distances were abolished. I realize after some years on PH that I am very European and that our differences within our Continent are much smaller than one can imagine.......
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    Welcome NL. An aquaintance did a midlife crisis motorcycle tour of Europe a few years ago, including circling the Baltic, clockwise. He said everywhere he went, people would tell him to be careful when he went to the next country, as they were all thieves and maniacs there! Finland got a particularly bad rap from the neighbours, but he had a great time there!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookycolt View Post
    How many taxes?

    Good thing our founders didn't have your mindset or you would be kneeling before a king today.
    Benjamin Franklin was one of our more important Founders. And he said that if you were unwilling to pay your 'club dues' (i.e., taxes), you should go live amongst the savages.

    He also said that society had the right to collect EVERYTHING you own, IF NECESSARY, down to the last farthing. Heck, even I find that a bit extreme.

    You don't know doodly-squat about our Founders, apparently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Babba View Post
    They weren't opposed to taxes in general. They were opposed to some particular taxes Britain was attempting to impose on them.
    Yes, they were opposed to taxation without representation, not to taxes in general. President Washington had NO hesitation in putting down the Whiskey Rebellion with military force. They were refusing to pay taxes on whiskey.

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