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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinCheeseNip View Post
    American media is so phony - and Sanders is no different.

    You see Sony created 'Zeitgeist', then Time-Warner gave Bill Maher his religion movie, Jon Stewart directed a film about Iran (to demonize the enemy), Matt Damon narrated a 'global warming' movie for the State Dept. propagandists, while Leonardo Dicaprio did a movie about the bogus 'global warming' issue as well. These films are faux 'activism' to keep the masses at bay and arguing amongst themselves while the Globalist CFR like Hillary and Kissinger, Leiberman and John Kerry plot the destruction of Syria. Plus the Globalist CFR fund Free Speech TV, NPR and Pacifica Radio and keep the war in Iraq going, with lies like the phony 'war on ISIS' to justify the re-invasion of Iraq and more weapons and airstrikes on Syria, while so called progressive media is d___king around with nonsense.



    But if the only way people can talk about serious issues is by having comedians come on the air and turn everything into a one-liner, or a pun, or some lame attempt at levity - even when talking about war as is the case with Syria - when the White House is again exterminating yet another entire nation of innocent people (ISIS was created for this purpose by the CIA) it clearly is a propaganda technique and a disgusting form of mass censorship.

    For example - Bill Mahers idiotic form of Islamophobia, recently defended by pal Michael Moore in an op-ed piece, is sickening drivel, and a feeble attempt at scapegoating an entire race of people for what is essentially caused by a U.S. Presidential directive: Obama signed a secret order to covertly arm and train Syria death squads. (NYT)








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    Quote Originally Posted by WisconsinCheeseNip View Post
    Keep it simple. The CFR feels the same way.

    Trump candidacy is a fake tabloid distraction, Hillary already has been chosen as next president by the CFR elitist power brokers.

    US elections are like big time wrestling anymore - or a big rigged Deflate-gate Superbowl. Completely fake, staged and scripted.

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    Of course - the American media version of events in Syria is all U.S. Government war propaganda. The greed of Big Oil and Gas companies will go to any lengths to buy off U.S. politicians.

    Hillary Clinton is a NeoCon - Politician for Iraq War Profiteers and Big Oil

    https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B9a...cW8/view?pli=1

    Exposed: The Arab agenda in Syria

    By Pepe Escobar - Feb 4, 2012

    "The report is adamant. There was no organized, lethal repression by the Syrian government against peaceful protesters. Instead, the report points to shady armed gangs as responsible for hundreds of deaths among Syrian civilians, and over one thousand among the Syrian army, using lethal tactics such as bombing of civilian buses, bombing of trains carrying diesel oil, bombing of police buses and bombing of bridges and pipelines."

    Asia Times Online :: Exposed: The Arab agenda in Syria


    STOP THE WAR IN SYRIA !
    Now We Know Where the Inspiration

    For Hillarys Mass Murder in Libya and Syria Came From ...





    Hillary Clinton Cosying Up To War Criminal Henry Kissinger

    "Yet what remains more puzzling and alarming is the big wet kiss she planted (rhetorically) on former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger this week, with a fawning review of his latest book, World Order."

    Hillary Clinton Cosying Up To War Criminal Henry Kissinger




    Henry Kissinger (CFR): Balkanized and Broken-Up Syria “Best Possible Outcome”

    "Former secretary of state eyes breaking up of current-day Syria into “more or less autonomous regions”

    Henry Kissinger: Balkanized and Broken-Up Syria ?Best Possible Outcome? | Global Research - Centre for Research on Globalization

    Hillary Clinton Vs. the GOP: Can You Tell the Difference?







    BBC Caught Fabricating Videos to Push Libya and Syria War Agendas

    BBC Caught Fabricating Videos to Push Libya and Syria War Agendas | empirestrikesblack



    ... and the other Obama instigated war censored by progressives ...


    Our Side's Using Illegal White Phosphorus Firebombs Against the Residents of Donetsk Ukraine

    "But then, a news report on August 16th from eturbonews was headlined “Alleged War Crime: White Phosphorus Used in Residential Areas of Donetsk?” and it reported why there had not been immediate news-reporting of the results of this firebombing, if it had indeed occurred ..."

    Our Side's Using Illegal White Phosphorus Firebombs Against the Residents of Donetsk Ukraine | The Smirking Chimp


    Truth Teller Radio Podcasts

    scroll down press play


    Syria The Truth's Podcast
    PodOmatic | Podcast - Syria The Truth's Podcast

    Interview with Pepe Escobar
    Dissecting Globalistan: Interview with Pepe Escobar 06/08 by SOTT Talk Radio | News Podcasts


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    If you watch all of the videos above you will see all her lies are just like Bush/Cheney.

    The Middle East will be a quagmire of horrors on innocent people - just like Obamas war on Syria.




    Did Obama and Hillary Clinton as Secretary of State Start More Wars and Kill More Innocent Civillians Than Bush?

    Democrat Obama - King of the Wars Begun Under a False Pre-Text:

    • False pre-text to invade Libya
    • False Flag WMD Threat in Syria
    • False "Russian Incursion" Pretext to invade Ukraine
    • False "combat ISIS" to Re-Invade Iraq


    The ISIS FEAR PROPAGANDA


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    Quote Originally Posted by NightSwimmer View Post


    Your implication is incorrect.

    I'm a liberal. However, my research on the issues are objective and from a Progressive, anti-war viewpoint. Unfortunately for Liberals, they must realize by now they don't have a candidate. And they never did. Not only did Wasserman of the DNC rig the primary process for the warmongering Hillary - it has been proven beyond doubt - but the alternative Bernie Sanders was no Progressive either. Bernies pro-war stance on bombing Libya, Iraq and Syria is in support of U.S. imperialism for the purpose of controlling world oil supplies is identical to the objectives of pro-war DLC Democrats and the Council on Foreign Relations. With Sanders there is no variation from the Democrat Party policy of endless war for oil for power and profit and merciless slaughter. Sanders soft-soaping of the issues was a smokescreen, and his unwillingness to criticize Pres. Obama arming of mercenary Al Nusra, ISIS, and FSA terrorists proved he was as corrupt as the rest of the system. Sanders speeches on Wall Street and income inequality were empty rhetoric in the same vein as Bill Clintons, "I feel your pain," exclamations. They are an election year gimmick. Sanders was never meant to win, but his candidacy was an election year ploy to gin up votes for Clinton. If Sanders were real, he run as a third party candidate against Democrats not endorse Clinton and bow out.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDBoop View Post
    Vote three times for me, too.


    I'd vote for ya ... run as a write-in candidate!



    Say are you in any way offended at how late night talk show hosts grovel prostate at the feet of these U.S. candidates and politicians when they appear as guests?

    What suck ups!

    A Conspiracy Bigger Than the X-Files - Big Brothers Telescreen




    However - I do feel Stephen Colberts late show keeps it too cosy w/ US Govmnt and connected types. His show is too loud and obnoxious like Jimmy Fallon. You feel the overt empty commercialism, too many ads, lousy music - if any - and you dont get any insight like the quiet talk of introspection of the late Tom Snyder.

    Why did NBC pay Conan $48 million to leave the network after his 'Tonight Show' stint failed?

    Could it be construed as being payola for for being dumbed down and apolitical?

    Why does American TV only broadcast musicians or bands with NO POLITICAL MESSAGE IN THEIR SONGS on Conan or any other late show?

    But they are willing to put on Katy Perry dressed up in a box of M&M's costume?

    Did Jon Stewart REALLY DESERVE his $30 million a year Comedy Central contract on the Daily Show or could that too be construed as being payola for being a subservient venue for U.S. Govermnt officials?

    Much in the same way - Diane Sawyer or Barbara Walters can make up to $100 million in their careers carrying water for CFR warmongers Kissinger, the Clintons, Dick Cheney, and Don Rumsfeld, who still has an office at the Pentagon. Bernie Sanders pro-war stance on bombing Libya, Iraq and Syria is in support of U.S. imperialism for the purpose of controlling world oil supplies, is identical to the objectives of pro-war DLC Democrats, and the Council on Foreign Relations. With Sanders there is no variation from the Democrat Party policy of endless war for oil, for power, and profit, and merciless slaughter. In my opinion, late night hosts and day time news get payola for coronating the imperialist and royalty Clinton.Microsoft NBC, Sony(CBS Viacom), Time Warner get huge govmnt tax breaks too.

    Larry Wilmore of the Nightly Show proved he is an Obama prostitute at the dreadful correspondents thing nobody watched. Larry Wilmore called Obama 'my n-word' - what a a scumbag and servile plant for soulless capitalism. Exploited the masses. Seth Meyers is a Party whore as well. All the Late Night Show belong on a scrap heap like the other 12 late night shows crappola. They exist for the sole purpose of selling Sony, Disney, and other studios worthless, overpriced movie tickets, or inflated price gouging arena bands - like every other aspect of unregulated capitalisms stranglehold over American pop culture and cost prohibative living standard, it has little or no real intrinsic value - it is like most things in the nation - a consequence or facet of our enslavement to the perpetual war economy: hollow laughter, empty symbolism, meaningless drivel, fruitless quests and journeys, scripted sport events rigged from beginning til end, and the pointless worship of unworthy pop icons and media fixtures. Colbert tears away the veneer and last vestiges of American respectability by showing us that he, like the chimps in his audience, and American culture in particular is defunct, raped down to the last dollar of our impoverished souls, with only tattered tapetries, fake smiles and canned phrases left to fill the void.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MaryAnne View Post
    None of those people are in the running. Hillary is ahead. Bernie is not really a Democrat and is showing his true colors now.

    Where were your answers on:

    A. The Fake Bin Laden Killing
    B. The Boston Bombing Cover Up
    C. All the Evidence of a Coverup RE 9/11 That Didnt Get Covered Up By Itself!
    D. A missle at the Pentagon video?
    E. Plane Manuevers, Lack of Training and Falsified Video Evidence of Hijackers
    F..Continual Disruption/ Obfuscation by Left Gatekeeper Types, Democracy Now, Russsia Today, PressTV, Tarpley, Corporate Media RE War on Terror lies, and use of DISINFO/COINTEL divide tactics, attacks on dissenters/activists.
    G. WTC 7, How Do You Think It Fell?
    H. CIA control of funding ISIS, the FSA, Al Queda in Libya, Syria, etc.

    9/11 was done by American Pentagon/CIA. They staged plane into building exercises war games over NY on Sept. 11th.

    The media (including Left Gatekeepers like Chomsky and Pacifica Radio) are paid by CFR and CIA connected foundations, to conceal the U.S. CIA covertly created Al Queda, still arms, funds and trains them as mercenaries for wars in Syria and Libya, created ISIS to control oil producing nations, and to re-assert U.S. dominance and install puppet leaders in Iraq and the other oil producing nations.

    The same government paid hacks in astroturf anti-war movements also hide the fact that American corporations sold steel to Germany to build up the Nazi war machine prior to WWII, and that America had prior knowledge of Pearl Harbor.

    Astroturf Democrat Party controlled and fake anti-war astroturf CIA fronts also push the phony 'war on ISIS' narrative to conceal that the CIA still controls ISIS, is using it as a Psy-operation to justify ongoing Pentagon raiding of the U.S. Treasury for illegal wars and the National Security State.




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    The 'alternative', now essentially mainstream counter culture of progressive intellectual blogging esp. at voting time - yes, we are navel gazing in my comment - has become so thoroughly infiltrated that when one realizes that 80% of intel work is disinformation, you recognize you are being fed steady diets of agitprop by electioneers or astroturf Party affiliates (not 'grassroots' - dance on a string for the NWO you Trump protesters listening to race bait radio, while Obama and Clinton bomb the Middle East back to the stone age) which in many cases you have no means to check the veracity of. Whether its govmnt paid hackers making trouble posed as astroturfed 'Anonymous' ( there was that story in the news about the Guy Fawkes tale - the mask used in astroturfed anti-govmnt protests and 'V for Vendetta' film - and the news item said the bomb plot never happened and/or was a British Govmnt idea to scare the public into enslavement, Guy Fawkes never existed, and his holiday and story were a fiction, much like American story of Hellen Keller and Sally Fields multiple personality 'Sybil' - all FICTION) or the psyops (but not necessarily Assange or Manning or Greenwald) Omidiyar Ukraine overthrow financed by the Intercept donor or some of Wikileaks misdirection during the 'arab spring' to agitate the citizenry of US foreign adversaries - WAKE UP AND SMELL THE FASCISM already - jesus!




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    Real 'Sybil' Admits Multiple Personalities Were Fake

    "As for Mason, she quickly got the message that if she raised questions about the veracity of her multiple personalities, she'd quickly lose her support network."

    http://www.npr.org/2011/10/20/141514...ties-were-fake
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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Thanks for the bump, CheeseNip.




    This is a good thread to remember in the theme of "self-fulfilling prophecy".

    It shows some of the early thoughts about people choosing Hillary over Sanders because of her supposedly superior electability even though they preferred Sanders.

    If all the people who preferred Sanders had gotten on board with him, he could have snowballed into a force so great that the Republicans could not have mustered the numbers to assail him.

    Democrats at least have plans. A coherent blueprint for making progress. Republicans don't at this time and I don't see one on the horizon.

    Between Sanders' ability to inspire and his clear conviction and Democrats actually having plans to invest in America while Republicans stake their political reputations on cutting off money to public programs and restricting access to healthcare choices, Republicans could not have beaten Sanders.

    What has beaten Sanders is people being afraid to support the person they preferred. He has traveled on an amazing trajectory, but people who prefer him but worry about his electability suppressed that trajectory just enough that it's likely to peter out instead of keep growing.



    What the hell ever happened to the STOP NATO protest group that appeared in Chicago years ago when 2,000 people showed up to get Obama for wanting to invade Syria?

    Was it astroturf - did Soros pull the plug on it or something?

    NATO summit 2012 Chicago protests: Thousands swarm city as hackers wage protest of their own | Daily Mail Online



    He and Rahm Emmanuel had to move he G8 summit was later rescheduled to be held at Camp David because Obomber didnt want an election year RIOT on his hands?

    Stop NATO

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2012_Chicago_summit


    Anti-NATO protesters in Chicago sentenced to years in prison

    Anti-NATO protesters in Chicago sentenced to years in prison - World Socialist Web Site

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amelia View Post
    Thanks for the bump, CheeseNip.




    This is a good thread to remember in the theme of "self-fulfilling prophecy".

    It shows some of the early thoughts about people choosing Hillary over Sanders because of her supposedly superior electability even though they preferred Sanders.

    If all the people who preferred Sanders had gotten on board with him, he could have snowballed into a force so great that the Republicans could not have mustered the numbers to assail him.

    Democrats at least have plans. A coherent blueprint for making progress. Republicans don't at this time and I don't see one on the horizon.

    Between Sanders' ability to inspire and his clear conviction and Democrats actually having plans to invest in America while Republicans stake their political reputations on cutting off money to public programs and restricting access to healthcare choices, Republicans could not have beaten Sanders.

    What has beaten Sanders is people being afraid to support the person they preferred. He has traveled on an amazing trajectory, but people who prefer him but worry about his electability suppressed that trajectory just enough that it's likely to peter out instead of keep growing.


    Your views are something akin to a circular logic.


    Are you enslaved and conditioned by the politics of fear?

    When I think of HOW MUCH FEAR we are being force fed in our so called 'free country' ...

    We were brainwashed EVERYDAY FOR YEARS w/ repeat images of the WTC towers falling, when 3,000 Americans died. THE UNITED STATES MILITARY and their trained death squads kill that many Iraqis EVERY MONTH. But the voters think its okay apparently because they have been conditioned to gnash their collective teeth at the 'FEAR ISIS' video psy-ops.

    So now - Democrat talk radio or CSPAN callers want us to FEAR Trump because he's the next Hitler. Trump wants us to FEAR a non-existant nuclear Iran. "They scare us with threats of (nuclear) war, so we forget just how bad things are," (Stiv Bators) ... I was horrified to be forced to watch in grade school a movie about a retarded girl being slapped around so she'd act proper, Orwells 1984 rat room 101 movie in fifth grade, or when I was five internalizing imagery of Sybil being tortured, developing multiple personas only to now report her and Hellen Keller were FEAR BRAINWASHING and ficitional tales or fears like telling children to hide under the desk from THE BOMB, or turn off the lights from the manufactured 70's 'oil crisis', and now 'peak oil' was also ginned up by big oil said Corbett Report. So now the next Hitler was Putin said Clinton, or Assad the guy who gives free heath care to Syrians, Passive resistance has failed WE NEED to start throwing rocks at the CFR Elite like Palestinians do at the IDF, Soros and Koch and the PBS-NPR war booster scum and their underlings need their noses bloodied to show them WE, not them own this country.

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